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#193868 - 05/08/08 12:14 PM Not sure about teaching the "out"
Tresa Hendrix
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I just started working on building drive and focus on my 2-1/2 y/o dutchie. I just got the DVD. He is doing really well already, has very high drive (insane), almost too fast for me, doesn't mouth the tug...already figured out he has to grip it or I'll snatch it away.

He doesn't really know "out" yet and I am not real sure of the correct way to teach it for him. The only thing I have done is trade him a treat for a kong, I say out and put food in front of his nose. I don't want to mess it up by doing the wrong thing. He's a big guy about 80lbs, just so you know. Right now I can't buy an e-collar, so should I try and flank him like in the DVD or just wait and not try and force it now?
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#193947 - 05/08/08 06:35 PM Re: Not sure about teaching the "out" [Re: Tresa Hendrix]
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I'm not a "pro" I just teach cute tricks so take it for what its worth, I taught Roxie to out her sleeve or tug by giving her her kong ball. And when we are just throwing the ball around I have two balls, I won't throw until she gives me the one in her mouth. I know some people lift there dogs off the item but I'm not real comfortable with that, bribing is easier for me
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#194006 - 05/09/08 09:32 AM Re: Not sure about teaching the "out" [Re: Tresa Hendrix]
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Tresa, don't flank him. What seemed to click in my dogs head was that he was going to get it back when he outed. I've worked on having him hold calmly and also wait for a command or release to take something separate of outing and I didnt swap anything for an out, he got to re-bite that same toy. For him it was just a matter of slowing down the tugging until we were still then with my other hand just gently touching his lower jaw and saying out. As soon as he released I'd give it back and then once he got the Idea I would make him wait a little longer each time until he could stay focused longer and longer. I don't know if this contradicts whats on the video, it's always possible that my dogs just different.
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#194076 - 05/09/08 02:55 PM Re: Not sure about teaching the "out" [Re: steve strom]
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The DVD shows Bernard flaking a puppy for the "out" and for adults he uses the prong collar. I don't think I could pop him hard enough with the prong to make him drop it. Also I don't want him to associate me moving my hand with the "out". Flanking was only recommended for puppies I believe, not sure why. I need to watch it again perhaps. He doesn't dominate me (no way Jose) but has a dominant temperament, very hard, insane drives. I'm reluctant to try flanking for that reason...you think it could cause aggression problems if he realized it was me pinching him? I don't know.

I don't think I could make him let go of the tug by touching his jaw. But I see what you mean, that makes sense. When I play kong with him he won't drop it for another one. He will for food...so as long as I randomly reward him for outing the kongs he does. But the tug is a much higher value prey item than the kong. He doesn't care about food or anything when he has the tug. Can you tell, I am no expert LOL.
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#194082 - 05/09/08 03:12 PM Re: Not sure about teaching the "out" [Re: Tresa Hendrix]
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A month ago I didnt really know what flanking was but there was a discussion about it here and for many reasons it was not advised. I started off with swapping treats for an out but he started anticipating what I was doing and then he would spit everything out looking for the reward so I back tracked and started with the other way.
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