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#195149 - 05/16/08 08:58 AM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Mike Arnold]
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Thankyou Mike, you raise alot of interesting points. I posted about 60 seconds after I opened my eyes at 720am this morning and apparently missed alot of details through my blurred vision. Glad you posted your thoughts, rarely do I go back to the first post in a thread to re-read.
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#195169 - 05/16/08 11:00 AM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Mike J Schoonbrood]
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Mike,

I think I responded in an unrelated context. I was very recently asked if I'd consider taking on another 'foster' GSD that had been given up to the rescue, and I was considering this post through those eyes.

I think your suggestion about the use of a muzzle is a good one. I mean, if you can't work with a dog because it is inclined to bite, a muzzle is a great interim training aid.

Then too, I probably didn't have enough coffee.

My post was a little too abrupt and, even obnoxious. Mea culpa.
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#195175 - 05/16/08 11:30 AM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Mike Arnold]
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I didn't think it was too abrupt and you brought up a lot of what I wanted to say.

Yelling at a soft dog is going to create fear and distrust, and harsh treatment of a dog often accompanies yelling. And dogs don't understand yelling, it's not dog lingo. It does nothing productive and makes a person look like a threat to a dog. Which in fact, it is.

The description that the OP gave about his dog - well, it left me feeling sorry for the dog.
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#195190 - 05/16/08 12:36 PM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Sandy Moore]
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Guys I should of been more clear on my post, I am sorry.

I never just yell at my dog, and I honestly do not think he is afraid of me....he tries to sleep on the bed with me at night, he tries to be by my side all the time....

I am just saying that for a week after the incident, he would run in his kennel whenever I came in the room.

Also let me be clear and say that when he bit me the first time, I didn't scold him at all, I was in far too much pain.

Also let me say that I never just "yell" at my dog. The only time I have really yelled at him is when he bit me the second time. Any other time a simply and stern "no" will suffice.

My dog although not fully trained, is decently trained and minds me. For instance, he knows all the basic commands: sit, down, down-stay, come, heel, stop, and such.

I think my dog gets sufficient exercise, I walk about 5.5 miles with him every day on the weekday, and on the weekends he usually is swimming with me in the pool now that the summer has come.

Really this is the only aggression I have seen of him that is why it scared me so much. I kind of am thinking his leg is sore or something because I gave him a bath yesterday, and when I lifted up the same foot he put his mouth on my hand but did not bite or growl or anything, just did it real quick and then took it off. I told him its ok and rubbed his foot and then he started licking my hand. I think maybe his foot is hurt, I am going to take him to the vet this Monday.

Really when he bit me it just scared me, as I have never experienced anything like that before. And when it looked like he was going to bite me again the other day, it scared me.

I am going to buy those videos though and review the podcosts, and any other help would be greatly appreciated.

To those of you that were stern towards me I thank you as well as I deserve it.

Thanks again, and if anyone lives near Pensacola, FL and could do a dog review (paid of course) PM me or reply on this thread.

Thanks.

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#195214 - 05/16/08 02:20 PM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Matthew Criner]
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Matthew, thanks for clarifying. Makes a big difference. So, any trainer on the forum who's near Pensacola that can meet Matthew's dog?

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#195221 - 05/16/08 02:43 PM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Sandy Moore]
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Sent a PM with the name of someone that might be able to help or point in the right direction.
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#195222 - 05/16/08 02:43 PM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Sandy Moore]
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And please post back after the vet eval, too. A dog in pain is often not a dog acting like his usual self.
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#195244 - 05/16/08 04:48 PM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Matthew Criner]
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Mr. Criner,

The tone of this post is much different than your first - as I read them both.

So, shame on me for being so critical. I had a far different impression.

What to write... An evaluation by a good vet - good idea. Pano [probably not], or a toe or pad injury...

I could probably type better if my foot in mouth wasn't in the way.

Good luck.
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#195248 - 05/16/08 05:20 PM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Matthew Criner]
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 Originally Posted By: Matthew Criner
I kind of am thinking his leg is sore or something because I gave him a bath yesterday, and when I lifted up the same foot he put his mouth on my hand but did not bite or growl or anything, just did it real quick and then took it off. I told him its ok and rubbed his foot and then he started licking my hand. I think maybe his foot is hurt, I am going to take him to the vet this Monday.


Matthew, are you saying that you think his foot was hurt prior to you pulling him out? I think it's also possible that YOU hurt his foot when you pulled him out that way. You said he growled and cried out before the bite. I'm not trying to be harsh (honestly!), but it makes a certain amount of sense to me, as I visualize you trying to pull out a heavy, reluctant dog out from under a bed by a single paw. I'm not saying you did it deliberately at all but that might have been why you got a bite and that might have been why he's sore now.

I would be honest with the vet about what you did (if anything, probably a pulled muscle) so that it can help them figure it out. And someone mentioned having a leash or a drag line on him so that you don't need to pull the dog out via a body part.

I'd try to keep him out from under the bed in the first place and stick to a crate (darken it with a blanket if that helps him feel secure) but the drag line will help in case he manages to slink under there. If an unleashed dog is under a bed then he's not under your control and that's never a good thing.

If this dog's never shown aggression to you before and yelped before he bit you, then it sounds like you have some work to do but it's not impossible to win back the trust.

Good luck. \:\)
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#195254 - 05/16/08 07:08 PM Re: Dog Bit Me HELP!!!!! [Re: Amber Morgan]
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We had a keeshond mix that we had to put to sleep this last December (mast cell cancer)...she was 12.
But she had one leg that was prone to injury and whenever we would try to pick her up or move her, and would hurt that leg the tinest little bit (accidentally of course) she would bite us. It was totally out of pain, as she was the sweetest most submissive dog ever...it was a pain reaction...just like when we cuss or yell ouch when we get hurt.
I bet you either hurt him when you pulled him out, or he already had an injury that you made worse? I'm glad you are taking him to the vet...let us know what he/she says.
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