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#226439 - 02/04/09 01:30 PM GSD scratching and blowing her coat?
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I've finally come to the conclusion when my gsd blows her coat she goes crazy with the scratching causing damage to her top coat and sometimes her skin. If anyone remembers I posted before about her scratching, but I thought it was related to her heat cycle and did not realize it is her shedding cycle. A couple vets automatically assumed allergies, but this is not the case (even did a food trial). She had been on allergy meds and they, in all reality, sedated her to stop her from scratching. This time I let her scratching and biting down the fur to run it's course and watched her skin for damage. Her main vet said it is obviously self inflicted damage to her fur, her skin was never broken.

I use the furminator on her daily and bathe her once a month or if she gets muddy, she even gets vacuumed. It seems to me her undercoat takes about a month to come completely out even with all the brushing.

Her undercoat is almost fully blown and she has stopped scratching and her coat regrew where she bit it down. Does anyone know, if it's even possible, to get the coat to come out quicker? Thank you.

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#226458 - 02/04/09 03:00 PM Re: GSD scratching and blowing her coat? [Re: Kimberly Bunk]
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Hi Kimberly,

You may be over bathing her and drying out her skin. I only bath my big dogs once a year or when they are really stinky or dirty. Regular brushing (no furminator) takes care of their coats (and they all have beautiful coats).

IMHO I would back off on the bathing and start using a regular brush for daily brushing, her natural oils will start building up again and you would probably have less scratching and biting.

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#226459 - 02/04/09 03:03 PM Re: GSD scratching and blowing her coat? [Re: Sandra Vernlund]
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The fact that the food trial failed to reveal a food allergy, doesn't mean that there isn't an environmental allergy at play here.


Just sayin'...

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#226462 - 02/04/09 03:17 PM Re: GSD scratching and blowing her coat? [Re: Alyssa Myracle]
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The only reason I didn't mention environmental, is because nothing new is introduced to her when it happens. It only happens when her fur starts shedding twice a year, I do notice a lot of fine dander when this is happening on metal portions of her crate. Once the shedding stops she returns to normal. It's quite odd to me.
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#226471 - 02/04/09 03:50 PM Re: GSD scratching and blowing her coat? [Re: Kimberly Bunk]
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I guess it could be seasonal allergies?

Connie would probably have a lot of insight here.

Are you giving salmon oil and E?

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#226479 - 02/04/09 04:31 PM Re: GSD scratching and blowing her coat? [Re: Kimberly Bunk]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimberly Bunk
A couple vets automatically assumed allergies, but this is not the case (even did a food trial).

Food allergies are by far the least common of dog allergies. And for a cyclical-type event ... ?? I don't understand the food trial.

What made you (or the vet) conclude that there is no allergy? I mean, it may be absolutely true, but how was the decision made?

 Originally Posted By: Kimberly Bunk
The only reason I didn't mention environmental, is because nothing new is introduced to her when it happens. ...

Allergies develop on repeated exposure.... nothing new needs to be happening.


These twice-yearly episodes: How long do they last? Is it strictly itching? No ear infections, skin pruritis, etc.? Is the itching bad enough to interrupt sleep?

This may have all been posted in the past -- sorry. I'm old, and you know what they say about memory.


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#226481 - 02/04/09 04:40 PM Re: GSD scratching and blowing her coat? [Re: Alyssa Myracle]
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 Originally Posted By: Alyssa Myracle
.... Are you giving salmon oil and E?



I'd be doing that, yes, even with this problem apparently being cyclical.

Also, Kimberly, when you say that allergy meds sedated her into less scratching, I assume you mean antihistamines? What one(s)?

I'm not sure that I would conclude that the sedating effect that some dogs experience was the cause of less scratching; I'd probably be more likely to assume that the antihistamine was blocking the histamine receptors (in the skin, in dogs), and also causing the sedating side effect. Even though only about 30% of allergic dogs get significant relief from antihistamines (somewhat more if they are used with long-chain Omega 3s), that 30% does get itch relief.

P.S. I know how frustrating this kind of thing is.

The more details, the better.



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#226518 - 02/04/09 08:53 PM Re: GSD scratching and blowing her coat? [Re: Connie Sutherland]
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Connie and Alyssa have more experience with allergies but are you sure it is allergies? My GSD blows her coat twice a year also, but does not scratch or bite at it. Connie, don't you think that over bathing can dry out the skin causing the same symptoms?
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#226562 - 02/05/09 01:03 AM Re: GSD scratching and blowing her coat? [Re: Connie Sutherland]
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She does get salmon oil and vitamin e daily, she also gets probiotics but this is more recently added to her diet. I had her on a grain free diet, Innova evo reduced fat (also orijen in the past). Now one meal a day is back to raw. This also happened while on a fully raw diet while she was blowing her coat.

The scratching cycle lasts about a month and stops completely when her coat is done switching. I had her on hydroxyzine (sp) and I believe the generic of chlor-trimeton. She has gotten ear infections in the past, but they didn't always coincide with the body scratching.

While on the hydroxyzine she still scratched about 50% as much, but she would just lay around and not play looking dazed. She is pretty high drive and her not playing was very odd. I could literally throw a ball at her and she would let it bounce off her head and not even look at it. Normally when I am playing fetch with her she starts drooling at the site of it.

The once a month bathing is really an estimate, sometimes it may be every 2 weeks or every 2 months depending if she got dirty playing in mud, rolled in something, etc. She has stopped itching now that her old undercoat is pretty much fully out, except the back of her thighs I can still pull a few tuffs out. She does not wake up to scratch, but when she is mid cycle of this her crate looks like a fur bomb went off in it. We tried all the special vet only shampoos for skin infections, both bacterial and yeast. If anything I think they made her top coat dry out and become brittle.

I now use buddy wash lavendar and mint shampoo on her, these are the ingredients:
Coconut shampoo base, aloe vera gel, essence of lavender, essence of mint, chamomile extract, sage extract, nettle extract, rosemary extract, wheat protein extract [natural deodorizing agent], tea tree oil, Vitamin E, Vitamin C.

The reason why I don't or the vet feels it's allergies, besides past experience with this, is that I am not changing anything diet or environmentally this time around and it has stopped. If it was an allergy it would continue and not be cyclical. I had her on an antihistamine last spring when this happened and the whole scratching thing still happened and then just stopped.

I know this is a lot to digest, but it is very frustrating dealing with this. Not only for me, but especially for her. I am so glad her scratching has stopped, but I'd rather be able to stop it from happening this spring if I can. Thank you all for your help.
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#226581 - 02/05/09 07:45 AM Re: GSD scratching and blowing her coat? [Re: Kimberly Bunk]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimberly Bunk
If it was an allergy it would continue and not be cyclical.


Sadly, that's not true<g>. Seasonal allergies are cyclical.

My GSD blows her coat twice a year as they all do, and is much itchier when doing so.

She also has seasonal inhalant allergies, and itches a lot from spring thru fall, with the most intense times coming with the worst pollen times.

Good luck with your dog and figuring this out.

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