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#255651 - 10/28/09 03:21 PM
Out command
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Lisa Harvey
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We have a 6 month old GSD who seems to be losing the out command. I started when she was about 16 weeks working on this with food in my kitchen (give her the rope bone, then she'd drop it and I'd give a treat -- eventually worked up to saying "out" and rewarding with a treat). A month into that, she started getting tooooo excited with the whole process and ended up coughing up the treat -- I also was throwing the bone a few feet, so there was excited movement.
I switched to rewarding her with another toy -- say "out" and then when she dropped it, tossed another rope bone in the air for her to leap at -- great game. She loved it!
We got a Chuck-It a month ago. She was doing really well with "out" and then the last few weeks, she wants to shy away from me when I say out, like she doesn't want to give it up!
Normal puppy behavior? Hurried the new toy? What should I do when she does this?
Right now I can tell I'm getting frustrated. I step toward her to step on her leash and then ask again and wait it out. My problem is I'm asking her to comply with really only a verbal "good" when she does it and that doesn't seem enough at this age. Suggestions?
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#255652 - 10/28/09 03:25 PM
Re: Out command
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Lisa Harvey
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Just read the first line again. Not fair to say she is losing it, since she really never had it completely at 6 months! We are working on this and she has done a lot better with it in the past. She seems to be regressing is probably more appropriate:)
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#255654 - 10/28/09 03:50 PM
Re: Out command
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Connie Sutherland
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First, do you have SchH or other plans for the pup?
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#255660 - 10/28/09 04:27 PM
Re: Out command
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Connie Sutherland
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I have to thank Bob Scott for the fact that I start every dog's "fetch" game with the fun step of teaching the release of the item into my hand for fabulous rewards. 
We do it, as you said, indoors, or sitting on the lawn, or anywhere .... until that one command is one the dog's most ingrained ones (after the recall and "leave it") .... 
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#255664 - 10/28/09 06:34 PM
Re: Out command
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Lisa Harvey
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You assumed correctly -- no SchH plans.
Not trying to hurry. Dog has a lot of energy and loves chasing things. I actually stumbled on this by my tennis balls (I play tennis) falling out of my bag. She went crazy chasing them. So I started tossing them and then tossing another one. She didn't necessarily drop the other one - well, maybe sometimes. It was more playful chaos for both - no real point or training involved.
When I bought the Chuck-It, I just assumed she would love the chasing aspect. And she does! But realized I didn't know how to get it back from her. She loves this toy!!! I can say where's the Chuck-It and she goes spinning to the cabinet it's in and then to the back door and so on. She gets very excited! So I know this is something she likes!
I just needed help in not taking the fun out of it for her! I will try your "back chain" idea.
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#255680 - 10/28/09 08:58 PM
Re: Out command
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Connie Sutherland
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Releasing the item into your hand can be a fun command.  Upbeat praise, great rewards .... I make sure that link in the chain of the fetch command is very good before ever tossing the item.
Here is how Bob Scott made it very clear to me a few years back: "The retrieve is not taught by tossing the item and hoping for the best."
It matters with your Chuck-it as much as it matters with a retrieve for a sport, I think ... I don't want to feel frustrated and pretty much take the fun out of a game because I can't get the item back into my hand.
P.S. Chaining and back-chaining can (and often should) be the way to teach any command --- teaching each link before stringing them together.
Edited by Connie Sutherland (10/28/09 08:59 PM)
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