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#257069 - 11/17/09 10:58 PM
He has one dog friend, and he humps him
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Claudette Martz
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Hi Leerburg!
I'm back again for some advice. First let me say thank you,
I can't say it enough, you have helped me graduate from a
complete doggy-dipstick to somebody who is making progress
with the pup in question!
Well, to begin with I have been letting my pup play with
a submissive but playful retriever for a couple of weeks.
Sort of as an experiment, plus a chance for him to have
a good experience with another dog (he is doggy...but all
the other dogs we come across seem to be assholes).
They wrestle and play and generally have a good time. However,
my puppy wants to hump this dog. The owner tells us that
every dog wants to hump him, including puppies. I gather
from posts here that I should control whether or not my dog
humps whom and what...I had been trying to use an 'OFF'
command, followed about 1 second later by a leash yank.
Buuuut I have a feisty brat and he just grabs on (say, to
an ear) to wait out any resistance. I never let him
succeed at this, but still it seems to be getting worse...
I'm quite willing and ready to cut out this playtime but
I wanted to get your advice about the whole hump/off/reaction
thing...It seems that when my pup is 'thwarted' in the hump,
he gets a little meaner to this retriever (grabbing on, growling,
generally trying harder etc.)
Seems to me that whatever I'm doing is not the most effective
thing to do! Help! 
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#257402 - 11/21/09 07:47 PM
Re: He has one dog friend, and he humps him
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Connie Sutherland
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The title of this thread made me laugh. 
I am so sorry that I forgot this post. I made a mental note to reply if no one else did and then lost the note. 
No humping allowed, period! No humping is allowed in my house. None. It's not a question of my controlling "whether or not my dog humps whom and what..." --- it's just flat not allowed.
This: I had been trying to use an 'OFF' command, followed about 1 second later by a leash yank. Buuuut I have a feisty brat and he just grabs on (say, to an ear) to wait out any resistance. I never let him succeed at this, but still it seems to be getting worse...
is 100% unacceptable. The other dog's owner made the right decision.  JMHO.
Now for your pup.  Depends on how old he is .....
How old is he again?
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#257489 - 11/23/09 08:01 AM
Re: He has one dog friend, and he humps him
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Claudette Martz
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Hi everybody, thank you for your posts. I do wish to do Schutzhund with him, so I have been quite careful with corrections.
We have erred on the side of mild corrections in this respect. We always follow through, but we have never put the 'fear of
god' in this puppy. I'm not quite sure about the 'line' here for a dog we wish to compete with, so we have been cautious so far.
We do practice all the leader behavior in non-confrontational
ways...such as doorways, NILIF, protecting him from loose dogs, etc. But yes, he is definitely a brat that still tries...
edit to add: He gets a ton of both physical and mental exercise, from ball-chasing to marker training and more structured physical exercise/walks. He has a lot of energy and enthusiasm, but the amount of exercise he gets I can't imagine is a problem.
oops! edit 2 for Connie: he's between 9 and 10 months old.
Edited by Claudette Martz (11/23/09 08:12 AM)
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#257516 - 11/23/09 03:51 PM
Re: He has one dog friend, and he humps him
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Joy van Veen
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Loc: Arizona, Cochise County, USA
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Hi everybody, thank you for your posts. I do wish to do Schutzhund with him, so I have been quite careful with corrections.
We have erred on the side of mild corrections in this respect. We always follow through, but we have never put the 'fear of
god' in this puppy. I'm not quite sure about the 'line' here for a dog we wish to compete with, so we have been cautious so far.
There is no reason a dog can't respect the human as their leader and still be a good competitor in sport. I think too many people are so worried about inhibiting a dog, that they wind up letting the dog walk all over them. And there is no reason to put the "fear of god" in a dog to insist on respect.
We do practice all the leader behavior in non-confrontational
ways...such as doorways, NILIF, protecting him from loose dogs, etc. But yes, he is definitely a brat that still tries...
I approve of non-confrontational approaches to dealing with behavioral issues. I have not, nor can I, see the video; so my only knowledge of it is what people say here. But I question whether there has been misunderstanding conveyed by it, or simply people not getting all they should out of it. What you do or don't do is not enough, or even as important as HOW you do it. If you don't present yourself as a leader, are unsure of yourself, etc.; doing things like going through the door first will make no difference. Conversely, if you present yourself with the confidence and certainty of a leader, and don't accept the dog taking liberties he hasn't earned; your dog will respect your authority no matter who goes through the door first.
I train guide dogs and service dogs. A guide dog "guides" a person. No, I'm not trying to be funny, but few actually realize what that means. Not only is the guide dog in front, including going through doors; but the guide dog doesn't cue off of their partner for their actions; rather the partner must take the dogs cues for their own actions. these are the sort of things that those who look for actions as the basis of who is the leader, would findmisleading. A guide dog does many of the things people list as "a leader does xyz.", but is not the leader. It is not what a leader does that makes him the leader, but what he is and believes.
I hope this doesn't sound like ramblings. I sometimes have trouble putting my thought coherently into English.
edit to add: He gets a ton of both physical and mental exercise, from ball-chasing to marker training and more structured physical exercise/walks. He has a lot of energy and enthusiasm, but the amount of exercise he gets I can't imagine is a problem.
oops! edit 2 for Connie: he's between 9 and 10 months old.
If he is getting enough exercise (and some dogs need a lot more than others especially in adolescence); then you can up his mental challenges in training.
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