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#40364 - 12/12/01 08:41 AM
Retraining the OUT
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Chris Kutelis
Registered: 07/11/01
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Loc: Antelope Valley Ca
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My curent Sch dog has been trained with the automatic out. His grips and full and strong but I am concerned that he will start anticipating the out when the helper slows down and get a little chewy before the helper comes to a stop or even a premature out which could look like he came off the sleve. After attending a Flinks seminar I would like to retrain my dog to hold on to the sleeve until I give the out command. Any suggestion on the best way to go about this?
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#40365 - 12/12/01 11:47 AM
Re: Retraining the OUT
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Michael Taylor Rivers
Registered: 07/16/01
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Loc: Florida
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This is a problem that I had with one of my dogs. What I did to fix this problem, was for a few months, I had stopped doing outs with the dog on the man. I would give the dog a bite, then have the decoy drive the dog a bit and then have the decoy lock up a little like he was going to do an out, and slip the sleeve quickly. I had a long-line on my dog to keep tension on the dogs collar, to make him hold the grip. I then had the decoy lock-up, and when the dog started to chew or loosen his grip, the decoy would swiftly pick him up and drive him hard again, and then slip the sleeve in the drive. Again with a long-line. This work takes time and a skilled decoy that has the timing in his work to get the results you desire. you can stop using the long-line after time but it is an important tool, so do not be quick to take your dog off of it. You might have to go back and do a little compulsion later with the out depending on the dog, but that is about it. Also bear in mind when you do start to do out work on the man again, wait a few seconds after the decoy locks-up, and then say out. He might let go again before you out him but he should hold his grip longer then before. Also a lot of pole work will keep his grip good and strong too.
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#40366 - 12/12/01 11:54 AM
Re: Retraining the OUT
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Michael Taylor Rivers
Registered: 07/16/01
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Loc: Florida
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This is a problem that I had with one of my dogs. What I did to fix this problem, was for a few months, I had stopped doing outs with the dog on the man. I would give the dog a bite, then have the decoy drive the dog a bit and then have the decoy lock up a little like he was going to do an out, and slip the sleeve quickly. I had a long-line on my dog to keep tension on the dogs collar, to make him hold the grip. I then had the decoy lock-up, and when the dog started to chew or loosen his grip, the decoy would swiftly pick him up and drive him hard again, and then slip the sleeve in the drive. Again with a long-line. This work takes time and a skilled decoy that has the timing in his work to get the results you desire. you can stop using the long-line after time but it is an important tool, so do not be quick to take your dog off of it. You might have to go back and do a little compulsion later with the out depending on the dog, but that is about it. Also bear in mind when you do start to do out work on the man again, wait a few seconds after the decoy locks-up, and then say out. He might let go again before you out him but he should hold his grip longer then before. Also a lot of pole work will keep his grip good and strong too.
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#40367 - 12/12/01 01:24 PM
Re: Retraining the OUT
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Vince P.
Registered: 07/13/01
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I have seen the above method work.
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