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#256091 - 11/03/09 07:34 PM Where do I start?
Kate Tremblay
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We have a pit mix. It's very difficult to train him. He has tons of attitude. Pushes you when wants to be petted, sits right in your lap, ignores basic commands, I cant even walk him. He grabs the leash with his mouth and its a tug of war. He growls when I try bring him outside (growls lowly)I have to push him outside to go pee or he'll just pee infront of me in the house (he hasnt done this in a bit), he jumps, barks at people all the time.

But with all of that he seems to be so sensitive. As stubborn and dominant he is..he is extremely sensitive. Even if I say NO, firmly. He runs to his crate.

I really want a healthy relationship with my dogs. But there are some pressing issues I'd like to see resolved. Can someone tell me where to start with him?

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#256093 - 11/03/09 07:47 PM Re: Where do I start? [Re: Kate Tremblay]
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Get Ed's basic training DVD, marker training DVD & dominant/aggressive dog DVD. There are many articles here on the site for pack leadership, training etc for free. Read them all & learn how to manage/train your dog before you get hurt.

See if you can find a knowledgeable trainer in your area that has experience with dominant dogs. See if there is a Schutzhund or other sport dog club in your area. Many of the people that train in those arenas have knowledge with strong breed dogs. Stay away from the pet store trainers. They don't have the experience with dominant dogs.
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#256106 - 11/03/09 08:50 PM Re: Where do I start? [Re: Kate Tremblay]
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 Originally Posted By: Kate Tremblay
We have a pit mix. It's very difficult to train him. He has tons of attitude. Pushes you when wants to be petted, sits right in your lap, ignores basic commands, I cant even walk him. He grabs the leash with his mouth and its a tug of war. He growls when I try bring him outside (growls lowly)I have to push him outside to go pee or he'll just pee infront of me in the house (he hasnt done this in a bit), he jumps, barks at people all the time.



Not in any way is this a beating-up ... I would just really like you to take back your power and responsibility by thinking about this a little differently. You have made mistakes. He isn't "difficult" with "tons of attitude" unless you have allowed or even encouraged it.

What I mean is, you can change. The dog will change when you do. That means that you can fix it! ;\) It's a good thing!

How old is he and how long have you had him?

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#256107 - 11/03/09 08:52 PM Re: Where do I start? [Re: Anne Jones]
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 Originally Posted By: Anne Jones
Get Ed's basic training DVD, marker training DVD & dominant/aggressive dog DVD. There are many articles here on the site for pack leadership, training etc for free. Read them all & learn how to manage/train your dog before you get hurt.

See if you can find a knowledgeable trainer in your area that has experience with dominant dogs. See if there is a Schutzhund or other sport dog club in your area. Many of the people that train in those arenas have knowledge with strong breed dogs. Stay away from the pet store trainers. They don't have the experience with dominant dogs.



Ditto..... and for more details, tell us your level of experience and training knowledge, and what kind of training you have done with him so far... and again, his age and how long you have had him.

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#256139 - 11/04/09 08:48 AM Re: Where do I start? [Re: Kate Tremblay]
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While you are waiting for the DVD's here's some reading to get you started:

Pack Structure for Adult Dogs

Marker Training (clicker training)

If you don't know about marker training, read and get started right away. This is a great way to improve your bond with your dog and will help you with confidence in handling him and will build confidence in your dog as well...
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#256143 - 11/04/09 09:18 AM Re: Where do I start? [Re: Lynne Barrows]
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Ok, I will read Marker training and click training I already read the Pack Structure in Adult Dogs. I am reading the book about Dominant Dog right now. He is 2 years this Nov. We have taught him the basic sit, stay, come. We did aot of mistakes like the dog park. I know there were a few incidents were other dogs ganged up on him. We took him out. But that would have had some hang ups concerning his behaviour..maybe? He is a great dog, we love him a ton but just the issuse we would like to train ourselves to put him on the right path of success.
Like I said I am learning alot. So bare with us.

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#256224 - 11/05/09 01:41 PM Re: Will they ever stop fighting [Re: Kate Tremblay]
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I have a 3 year old Doberman and a 22 month old German Shepard both males.
The Doberman is fixed the GS is not.
The doberman is my husbands dog and the GS is my dog
Both Dogs have been through extensive training and they come when they are called, sit when told to sit, walk on a leash, etc., etc.
The problem that I have is about 8 months ago they began to fight with each other. The 1st was a jealousy thing, I was getting dressed and the GS was laying on the floor in my room, the dobie came walking in and the GS attacked him. We had been through this same situation in the past and they had never fought but all of the sudden the GS decided to get aggressive and I believe he was around 15 months and had read in the Leerburg books about aggression starting at 15 to 18 months.

I have provided a little more information below, in the interest of getting to the point.

After a few battles I bought them each the wire muzzles from Leerburg and those certainly do the trick but they have to be on the dogs whenever they are not crated and if you get your finger caught in them and the dog pulls away quickly it really hurts.

My Question
WILL THE FIGHTING EVER END? WILL I EVER BE ABLE TO REMOVE THE MUZZLES?

Everytime they growl at each other they receive a correction.
I cannot keep them separated all the time, in my situation it is just not possible. So whenever they come out of their crates the muzzles go on and they stay on until they get fed (separately of course) or go back in their crates.

Some people have said that I should get the GS fixed but it is my understanding that fixing him now will not make any difference.

Any thoughts or ideas?

or am I doomed to be
Muzzled for Life!!!


A little more history below:
We broke up the fight without incident and then it happened again, one dog was in the living room and the other walked in and a fight broke out
and again, they were playing in the yard and a fight broke out. This day I had the garden hose and blasted them and they immediately stopped.
I went back to the aggressive / dominant dog information and made sure I was following the pack leadership criteria and believe that I am but the only I cannot seem to get them to stop doing is fighting.
I have shock collars and all I have to do is push the tone button and they stop any bad behavior. If they are already in a battle then the collars are useless, the only thing that works is blasting them with water. I have not had the opportunity to try the Leerburg way because the muzzles have prevented any further incidents.

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#256225 - 11/05/09 01:47 PM Re: Will they ever stop fighting [Re: Laura Lozzi]
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you might want to start another thread


quick answer is kennels


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#256230 - 11/05/09 03:02 PM Re: Will they ever stop fighting [Re: Laura Lozzi]
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As Dennis said, welcome, but you're hijacking someone else's thread. Start a new thread (new topic). Copy and paste from here and you won't have to re-type. ;\)

Go here: http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/postlist/Board/18/page/1

Click on "new topic."

And the quick answer is indeed: Separate the dogs. A pack leader does not allow this to happen. Rotate them in and out of crates if you have to.

And back to:
 Originally Posted By: Kate Tremblay
Ok, I will read Marker training and click training I already read the Pack Structure in Adult Dogs. I am reading the book about Dominant Dog right now. He is 2 years this Nov. We have taught him the basic sit, stay, come. We did aot of mistakes like the dog park. I know there were a few incidents were other dogs ganged up on him. We took him out. But that would have had some hang ups concerning his behaviour..maybe? He is a great dog, we love him a ton but just the issuse we would like to train ourselves to put him on the right path of success.
Like I said I am learning alot. So bare with us.


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