hi Bob / Betty thanks for the tip on the pen shape - i thought a pen with at least one square corner would allow the herd somewhere to stop and allow the dog to stop without stress - i could be on the wrong track here.
A square pen will teach the sheep that they've got a place to hold their own against the dog and teach the dog that he can't always control them (since they can get in the corner and stop)
I seriously wouldn't recommend anyone working on beginning herding work on their own unless they've had plenty of experience working with and reading livestock. It tends to end up frustrating all parties involved - you, the dog and the stock.
Katie, thanks for the link to the other forum; the conversation is precisley all the questions rattling around in my skull these last weeks. the thread hasn't been visited for awhile so i just lurked there and read the discussion.
i really don't think i have more to add than what has already been said or answered already. although i am still confused about the link if any between a hard baying action which i think my dog is trying to do and herding proper in a typical AKC sense of the word, i said that!! - if its AKC it must be the proper way - was that a brain explosion or?
I was reading over this thread and felt so happy for how far my dog has come.
He is never lame any more (knock on wood), he loves the cows, loves to move them, licks their faces when they are lying down. He does not bite them, and he's becoming a fan of petting.
What a difference a few months post adolescence can make!
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