Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Lynne Barrows ]
#246932 - 07/15/2009 04:33 PM |
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Angela -
How do you know he knows the command? I always ask this first especially about the recall.
Most people train the recall too situationally - they don't get past the initial walk away, call dog, mark, reward with the dog on a lead. They also tend to do most of the recalls in a training session, so the dog not only becomes conditioned to the exercise of the recall itself, but to only doing it during a training session. The best time for working on the recall is being completely random during times when you are just out with the dog on a long line doing nothing, letting the dog sniff, pee on stuff, etc. No training or work, just calm nonchallant do nothing time.
What has your work with him been for the recall?
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Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Jennifer Marshal ]
#246959 - 07/15/2009 08:35 PM |
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Wow, I got a lot of great responses. Lots of food for thought, thanks guys.
Jennifer: great question, as always. make me think about what exactly I am doing, hehe.
My pup has actually had very little to no formal training as far as the recall goes. (As in, we don't do this during formal, set-up training sessions where the dog gets cues that he is going to get a treat if he responds).
I do normally call him to me through out the day, several times a day, such as when we are in the yard and it is time to go in (going inside is not a negative for him, it is usually meal time or just time to go in in which case I praise and pat him), or when it is time to go in his crate (he always gets a treat). I also call him to me when I want to get out his toy and play with him. I always just call his name and say "let's go!" and he comes running to see what I want. I praise him when he comes to me, or treat. It's pretty casual, but since he comes and I always call him the same way, and we've been doing it his whole life, I am pretty confident he knew what I wanted. Especially since the other dog came, setting a good example I hope LOL.
He is usually managed either on lead or in the secure yard or house, so he's never very far away. He has ignored me before under extreme distraction (presence of neighbour, cat or squirrel) so I knew his recall wasn't 110%. But blowing me off when he wasn't 100% focused on something else is a new thing.
Oh I almost forgot, we did restrained recalls when he was a puppy (4-5 months) and I also randomly call him every now and then just to give him a treat.
I hope that is enough detail to give a good picture.
So I guess if I am a bad owner and allow myself to get into this situation again, I should just go and get the dog, praise him for letting himself get 'caught', then go in and give myself a correction LOL.
What if I have a line on him and reel him in? Does he get praise when he finds himself in front of me? (I assume yes?)
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Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Angela Burrell ]
#246963 - 07/15/2009 09:33 PM |
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"What if I have a line on him and reel him in? Does he get praise when he finds himself in front of me?"
Just no comment -- no praise, no marker, no negative marker .....
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Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#246964 - 07/15/2009 09:39 PM |
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I don't say nothin, damn dog knows if I'm lyin
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Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Dennis Jones ]
#247056 - 07/16/2009 09:51 PM |
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I want to share my progress with anyone else interested.
I have started the recall again. I am using a bait bag and I have changed the word from come to here.
So far, so great.
I am taking Connie's advice and I started last night with giving her a few free treats. Then, standing in front of her I held the treat down at her level, said "Mimi, here" she came for the treat, I said "Yes" and gave her treat and said good girl.
I have backed up a few feet and have graduated to about 10-12 feet away with her in another room but just barely and knowing that she is kinda looking at me anyway.
This is working great and I am doing it at all different times thru the day and locations.
The only problem, if you'd call it a problem, is now because she is getting the xtra marker work, she doesn't want to get out of arms reach 'just in case'.
The bait bag is the best as I am wearing it all day, so a treat and training is always at hand.
Let me know how you all are doing.
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Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Nora Ferrell ]
#247057 - 07/16/2009 09:55 PM |
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The shortcut first one -- the lure, where you show the treat and back up to get the dog to come -- that's not the continuing m.o.
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Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#247059 - 07/16/2009 09:58 PM |
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Correct. I did that at first to get her to understand (hopefully) that she was coming to me. I am now "Here" but still keeping treat at her level and this evening I would say "Here" and wait for her to start toward me before revealing the treat and marking. Is that right?
ps The timing is driving me crazy
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Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Nora Ferrell ]
#247060 - 07/16/2009 09:59 PM |
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... The bait bag is the best as I am wearing it all day, so a treat and training is always at hand.
The other great thing about what you are doing with the bait bag (wearing it so often) that the dog sees it as neutral. It's there whether treats are coming or not.
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Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Connie Sutherland ]
#247062 - 07/16/2009 10:01 PM |
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... The bait bag is the best as I am wearing it all day, so a treat and training is always at hand.
The other great thing about what you are doing with the bait bag (wearing it so often) that the dog sees it as neutral. It's there whether treats are coming or not.
Yeah, I wore it all day yesterday before I tried her last night. She hasn't caught on to it yet. Although she did kind try to sniff at it once yesterday. I have been trying to be sly enough so that she can't see me get them out. I keep the bag part toward the back.
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Re: When your dog ignores your recall?
[Re: Nora Ferrell ]
#247063 - 07/16/2009 10:02 PM |
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Correct. I did that at first to get her to understand (hopefully) that she was coming to me. I am now "Here" but still keeping treat at her level and this evening I would say "Here and wait for her to start toward me before revealing the treat and marking. Is that right?
ps The timing is driving me crazy
The treat comes out when the command is marked ... not before. The marker means "treat coming" and the marker is given when the command is complied with and over.
Just like with sit. You mark and reward when the dog has sat -- not when the dog has started lowering her butt.
JMHO.
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