hi all i noticed this part of the board is the least active. have y'all cleared out, i have lots of questions. or can anyone recomend a better herding discussion board to get on. hope everyone is well
OK Barbara, first a vent and the background. at a recent seminar a nice lady organised i had a bad experience with the trainer "dude". he is totally old school and relies a lot on both the trainabiity, natural instincts of the BC.
simply put he overlays a bit of brutality on dogs to gain control so they are in a constant state of near avoidance. it works for some dogs with good results. the guy sells a lot of finished dogs direct to farms and triallers. he also goes through many more dogs that god only knows what happens to them if they are not of commercial value to sell.
he used my dog to demonstrate a recall process which i thought was going to be cool, it wasn't, but i won't put the techique up for public. after one half a demo i got in his face and grabbed his wrist with one arm and the leash with my other hand. i accidently put a bit of pressure on his finger joints that were holding the leash wich he thought he was going to keep hold of. he never spoke to me again that seminar.
i hope not all pro trainers are like this, i can say that in the horse world many are brutal, i dont know enough about the dog world yet.
anyhoo the question; hard circlers - how to approach the problem without brutality or so much work they lose drive.
have watched the all breeds vid and am getting the next steps and tending videos when i can scratch up the cash, thats about all Ed has on the topic. loved the all breeds whci does touch a bit on the circler problem. has anyone bought the next steps vid.
any other vids, sites, books for all breeds to reccomend.
cheers if any one is still in this thread
simply put he overlays a bit of brutality on dogs to gain control so they are in a constant state of near avoidance.
...he used my dog to demonstrate a recall process which i thought was going to be cool
I am not experienced in herding but am experienced enough to say this individual would never have laid a hand on my dog. It is your job to protect your dog - why did you not do so?
totally old school and relies a lot on both the trainabiity, natural instincts of the BC.
simply put he overlays a bit of brutality on dogs to gain control so they are in a constant state of near avoidance.
Choosing a trainable dog with natural instincts for a task sounds like a great idea to me. How does that equate to brutality?
What was the guy doing that was brutality? I'd like to know. :smile:
What breed of dog do you have? What trainer did you go to? (PM me if you don't want to share names publicly) What do you mean by "hard circlers"?
I have BCs and have taken lessons for a couple of very good USBCHA handlers. They are very fair with the dogs and worked with the dogs ability. They quickly adjusted their technique and the pressure they put on the dogs depending on what the individual dog needed to be successful.
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I'm getting ducks and geese next year hopefully to start the papillons on.
So far I've been reading and watching a fair number of free vids online. Among the books that have been worth half a glance
Herding Dogs: Progressive Training
The Farmer's Dog - Holmes
A DVD set that has been pretty suggested by everyone I've chatted with so far so far has been the Lynn Leach dvd series on All breed herding which breaks down a bit of how the different breeds herd.
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