Question about prong collar size : 2.25 mm or 3.2?
#400313 - 01/28/2016 07:21 AM |
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Hi
im going to buy a prong collar , I've rottweiler female 38kg.
Here on forum everyone says its better to buy 2.25mm prong
So I decided to buy herm sprenger prong collar 2.25mm 16" at the shop and add 4-5" additional links to fit my rottweiler neck size.
THe guy at the shop told me
"I would have a serious concern using a 2.25mm collar with that many additional links on a large dog. The correction will be harsh and most likely not necessary, in addition the collar will be under a great deal of strain and the chances of bending the links or the collar failing will be greatly increased. A 3.2mm gauge collar with one additional link would seem to be more suitable and much more comfortable for the dog."
So which prong I need to buy ? 3.2 or 2.25 ?
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#400314 - 01/28/2016 08:58 AM |
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If you hold the collar up in the air with one hand and pull on the closure with the other hand, you will see how the collar works. You will see that it actually pinches, rather than chokes. You will see that the larger, longer prongs travel a greater distance with more force than the smaller prongs do. You should also notice that the correction is spread much more evenly around the neck of the dog using the smaller links, and especially because there are more links than with the larger size.
Your dog has a lighter coat than mine does, and I still prefer the smaller prongs. I also find that the smaller links don't separate as easily as the larger ones do, making it safer to handle and work the dog.
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#400317 - 01/28/2016 10:46 PM |
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How harsh the correction is is up to you to determine, not the collar itself.
Yes, some collars will transmit the correction with more force but you still control that.
If your FAIR AND CONSISTENT then all will be well.
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#400327 - 02/02/2016 07:57 AM |
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You would think that larger prongs would be needed with a larger dog but that is not the case. Like the others have said and everything I've read also indicates that the smaller prongs are more effective and give you better control. Glad you got a Sprenger collar. You'll be happy you did. I started our Mal with a cheaper prong from one of our local pet stores and immediately realized my mistake, which has since been corrected. Try not to overdo the corrections but if you do need to correct, make it count. Also, try to only correct for behavior issue and not while engaged in training.
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#400329 - 02/02/2016 08:08 AM |
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I'll just add that, whatever you decide on, it's an important safety precaution to always use a back-up collar with a prong.
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#400337 - 02/03/2016 01:40 AM |
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I like the 3mm for most larger dogs. The 3.25mm is too big and feels clumsy IMO. I would have no problems with going down to a 2.25mm though.
I do feel like the 2.25 gives a "sharper" correction overall. I've used it on a young adult mastiff who wasn't responding to the 3mm and got immediately noticeable results. As Bob said though, It's all up to the person holding the leash. I've handled dogs that strained into a 2.25 with the owner allowing them to just pull into it and yet were sensitive to light pops when it was used correctly.
I say go with whatever feels better and consider how controlled you are with corrections. If you are skilled enough to make very small subtle pops the 2.25mm is perfect. If you don't have as much skill with small pops maybe the 3mm is a better choice. When I take my service dog in training out she wears the smaller prong. A small twitch with my fingers gets her mind back to business and nobody even notices that she was corrected for something.
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#400339 - 02/03/2016 07:54 AM |
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I do feel like the 2.25 gives a "sharper" correction overall. I've used it on a young adult mastiff who wasn't responding to the 3mm and got immediately noticeable results. As Bob said though, It's all up to the person holding the leash. I've handled dogs that strained into a 2.25 with the owner allowing them to just pull into it and yet were sensitive to light pops when it was used correctly.
I say go with whatever feels better and consider how controlled you are with corrections. If you are skilled enough to make very small subtle pops the 2.25mm is perfect. If you don't have as much skill with small pops maybe the 3mm is a better choice. When I take my service dog in training out she wears the smaller prong. A small twitch with my fingers gets her mind back to business and nobody even notices that she was corrected for something.
I love how Cathy put this. With a prong or even just a flat collar, you have to learn how to properly administer corrections for them to be effective. It kills me to watch inexperienced dog owners simply play tug of war with their dogs when they think they're correcting them, even with a prong collar, and then complain that they can't control their dog. This site has numerous articles and discussions on the proper way to provide a correction and they should be reviewed when considering a prong collar.
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#400343 - 02/03/2016 10:58 PM |
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Another thing to remember with ANY training collar is to keep it high on the neck, right behind the ears.
If it's down low it acts more like a horse collar and the dog can lay into it and just get more leverage to pull against it.
The position is just as important as the level of correction.
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#400346 - 02/04/2016 02:45 AM |
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thanks for reply, prong collar just arrived, its this :
Maybe I made an error ? My english isnt good, and now I see how a "D" Ring would be better than "O" ring or im wrong ?
Anyway I tryed to fit it, how much tight ? Cause I cant turn the collar , if I add 1 link more, it goes too much on neck instead of near ears.
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#400347 - 02/04/2016 09:22 AM |
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IMO a "D" ring has two corners that the chain can catch on. The "O" ring is smoother and more reliable. JMO.
The prong collar should not be loose enough that it moves freely around the neck. After a few minutes with the dog wearing it, it will move around a little and appear looser. You should be able to put it on without choking the dog in the process, but it should then "ride" in the correct position.
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