Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005
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... Energy is the fuel needed to perform a task. A dog's energy level can determine his ability to sustain said activity. Energy is not easily affected by a stimulus.
Makes sense to me .... but energy is needed to play, run, etc., as well as perform a task. (You may have been using task in a broad sense.)
when I got into all this markers, bite work and such my poor, poor dog. I would watch a few minutes of a training video and then get the dog and do a bit of it, watch the dog then flick back to the vid, back to the dog.......
it was pathetic, dog learned marker training tho, but not in a good way.
Ed's vids are all packaged the same, when I reached for one the dog would go hide, that's marker training.
Possibly not the method?
My almost 11 yr old GSD has been trained in SAR cadaver, boat work, live find, and article search. He has his SchIII. AKC CDX, AKC HT, ATTS TT and his CGC.
He's never had a physical correction earning those titles.
I'm not one of those purely positive folks because there is nothing wrong with a fair and appropriate physical correction when needed. I just haven't needed them for a number of yrs.
Fact is I was a very heavy handed trainer that has titled numerous dogs in numerous venues over the years.
Markers have been a complete epiphany when it come to dog training. I learned marker work about 11 yrs ago with the help of the Schutzhund club I belonged to.
I'm now a huge fan of markers but, like any training it's not something you pick up in a few days or even weeks for many.
You need to understand and work with it and not just read a bit, train a bit and hope it works.
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A task can be holding a dumbbell, chasing a ball, cavorting with a companion, gnawing a bone, bringing in the paper, barking at a stranger, anything. Think verb... any action that a dog's muscles undertake is a task, and it requires fuel.
Let's use a ball as a stimulus and a low-energy dog as a subject... The dog may lay around all day, but you produce a ball, and his drive is triggered. Once you trigger his drive, the dog can summon the energy to chase the ball. How many times he will chase the ball is determined by his energy level. If the ball goes under a couch, the lengths the dog will go to attempting to fetch the ball are determined by his level of drive.
Some dogs with extremely high drive will continue to desire the ball after their energy is exhausted. Other dogs will see a diminishing of the drive as their energy fades.
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A task can be holding a dumbbell, chasing a ball, cavorting with a companion, gnawing a bone, bringing in the paper, barking at a stranger, anything. Think verb... any action that a dog's muscles undertake is a task, and it requires fuel.
Let's use a ball as a stimulus and a low-energy dog as a subject... The dog may lay around all day, but you produce a ball, and his drive is triggered. Once you trigger his drive, the dog can summon the energy to chase the ball. How many times he will chase the ball is determined by his energy level. If the ball goes under a couch, the lengths the dog will go to attempting to fetch the ball are determined by his level of drive.
Some dogs with extremely high drive will continue to desire the ball after their energy is exhausted. Other dogs will see a diminishing of the drive as their energy fades.
IMHO:
Energy = The physical power to Function in Life...
Drive = The psychological motivation to Perform a Function...
Example:
Most sighthounds are Couch Potatoes indoors (no "defense drive" or "fight drive" related to guarding their owner or property, for instance) -- But take them outdoors & let them see a cat or coyote or rabbit or raven, and their off-the-chart PREY DRIVE is triggered ... The sighthounds' desire & determination to chase-grip-kill fleeing animals (upon which they will voluntarily expend ALL their considerable amount of readily available ENERGY stores) is amazing
forgive me for this, my quadrat in drive V energy;
imagine a square divided into quarters;
high energy; low drive: high energy; high drive
low energy; low drive: low energy; high drive
your dog is born into one of the quarter (nature), you can shift anywhere you want inside that quarter taking on the aspect/combination at that boundary (nurture).
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