I think the stay command is redundant. I do use it in AKC but as I mentioned it's because of the rules and for the judge's benefit. In Schutzhund it's lost points for giving a double command.
Once a sit or down command is given the dog is expected to hold that until given a release or another command.
It's nothing more then subtle differences in training. If your not competing then it's whatever makes you comfortable. The dog will learn it either way...when done correctly.
"Using 'STAY' helps dissipate any anticipation in the dog under this system because I ALWAYS come back and then heel away. Using stay and wait interchangebly confuses the dog and they will often break because of anticipation".
Anticipation is a problem created through poor/incorrect training. Using a stay command (or not) is still just a matter of training.
If I do a walking stand in AKC OR a running stand in Schutzhund, what matters is how that stand is taught. If I go back to the dog and release it every time I return of course it will anticipate. That's where a RANDOM release when I return is built into the training. I may go back and just walk past the dog, walk around the dog, even stop halfway to the dog and return to my spot. That stand will be held until I give the release on another command.
That's both AKC and Schutzhund. I have done both with my dog. The stay is redundant!
Thank you all for clarifing and descriptions. Sounds simple on my part, but it felt like I was missing something in training or in communication with trainer and now I get it. We are working on this and with the aha moment it will be so much easier on the dog.
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