Yes, we are taking our time getting the two together. I know the damage she can do. She goes up to the kennel and just looks at the pup, the growling has at least stopped.

I have my hands full getting the Akita to accept my pup, I knew it would be a challange when I got the pup. Hopefully both will one day get to be in the house together. :rolleyes:

After reading my post, I feel like I should clarify. there were people who would have helped me train my bitch in protection-but not in schutzhund. I respected them for it actually, for caring enough about the sport to be concerned.
The dog wouldn't have been good for protection-from what I've seen of "protection trained dogs". She does what she does naturally-and because she is a "soft" dog, I don't think training would have helped at all. And honestly, while I think she probably would have done schutzund, in her heart she wouldn't have had fun with it-she would have done it to make me happy only.
So there's my two cents on Akitas. Maybe one day we'll see some out there competing, but I doubt it. They're a little too funny in their own way.

Yes, I agree completly.
"THAT'S WHY WE HAVE WORKING LINE GSD's" no better choice for me!

so ne way richard i agree with you that a dog can controll people is better than one who relies on the bite; do you think a big APBT qualifies? they are strong for their weight but you are more experienced then me so wats ur oppinoin?

Yes I did post some information about realistic bite pressures. I don't remember exactly, but it was like 750-850psi. Dogs that were well conditioned all bit just about the same. Long muzzled dogs can apply more pressure. . .thus the wolf being the highest at something like 1000+. The bullfaced breeds have more muscle for holding on, but don't necessarily bite harder.

That was from a study on dogs biting and structure of canine sculls/musculature.

No dog had over 1000psi If I remember correctly. NO DOG.

Seemed realistic, when you looked at some of the numbers of other animals. Great whites where only like 1500, alligators something similar. . .

I wish I could find that article.

Shepherd breeds hit the hardest. . .no contest. Even turds like Dominick Donovan admited that when discussing pitts vs. malinois. The mals hit harder and had much firmer first strike bites.

Thats why he mixed them to make his little mutts. Toughness and muscle from pitts, man aggression and bite from the mals/dutch shepherds.

No dog has that first bite/strike power that the shepherd breeds do. It has been genetically selected for over 100 years. The other breeds are playing catch up.

Blake,

Even a big pit doesn't have the size I am talking about. I have never seen one over 80 pounds. They are also short, that means they can be picked up by someone that has the ability to lift that much weight. With a heavier, taller dog the person isn't going to be able to get all for feet off the ground which leaves the dog the ability to pull and use it's strength to keep the person off balance. With a breed like the Giant, BRT, or a GSD that is taller, the dog can keep at least the back feet (often all 4 feet) on the ground and use their size and strength to keep the person off balance.

i stand corrected; does this mean APBTs arent good for SchH??
vancamp/richard cannon neither of you think APBTs can do the work well?

It isn't what they were bred for, so you are at a significant disadvantage. Shutzhund was created for the GSD remember.

That said, I saw a little pitt or AmStaff compete at the NorthWest Regional Championships, he was. . .ok.

I have seen some pitts do bite work, and they did a pretty good job.

I question their sharpness to the man in most of the dogs I've seen in the flesh.

= k thanks vancamp

He was a cute little bugger, ended up being the crowd favorite. . .at a USA show no less.

That little shiznit. . . <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />