After the marker is charged
#262980 - 01/22/2010 01:24 PM |
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I'm working with Buckley who is grasping the concept of looking at me & getting a reward.
I've also been practicing timing the command by tossing a tennis ball into the air & calling "yes" when it hits its apex.
What would the next step be? I'm going to order the dvd, but don't want to lose a month due to shipping times. Should I be conditioning pup to come to the hand or is it better to start with the sit command?
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Re: After the marker is charged
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#262983 - 01/22/2010 02:05 PM |
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Bev, are you conditioning him to expect a reward when you say the word 'yes'?
Just want to clarify that looking at your face isn't the same as charging the marker. That should be your first step...
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Re: After the marker is charged
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#262992 - 01/22/2010 03:55 PM |
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I'm confused too. We may not have explained charging the marker well enough. Bev, no command or expectation on the dog is in place for charging the marker; it's nothing but getting the connection solid in his mind that marker = good reward.
What is the ball thing again?
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Re: After the marker is charged
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#262995 - 01/22/2010 04:29 PM |
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I had been giving him a reward when he looked at me. He'd look at me (as opposed to my waist, where I have my hands behind my back) - I'd say "Yes", wait a second or two, then give him the treat.
Is that not right? If not, how do I "charge the marker"
The ball thing: Meredith Hamilton wrote: (I haven't figured out how to include the quote in my reply).
I made myself practice with a tennis ball and clicker for 3 days before I ever started with my dog. I did this by throwing the ball in the air and marking the apex of the throw, marking when I could see the writing on the ball, etc. This helped me realize how fast the "snapshot" I wanted to capture flashes by, and I felt really comfortable with the tool before I ever experimented with my dog.
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Re: After the marker is charged
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#263003 - 01/22/2010 04:52 PM |
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Is that not right? If not, how do I "charge the marker"
No behavior expected of the dog. Sound the marker, give the reward. You will know that in his mind, marker=reward when you give the marker and see that he looks for the reward.
http://leerburg.com/markers.htm
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#263011 - 01/22/2010 05:44 PM |
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Bev,
Marker training is a good way to train your dog, however: my problem with marker training is not so much as the marker training itself as it is with the people utilizing it like all the other systems (if you will). Rather than see the marker training system as an avenue toward training your dog it seems to become a means to it's own end.
It's important to remember that you need to have proper relationship with the dog first and foremost, in the midst of any system. if it harms relationship than it's time to rethink the method. This is not to say that there isn't a time and place for compulsion because there is.
Relationship is relationship whether it's with people or dogs, the same relational rules apply. Believe me if my little one tries to play in the street after being told not to, there's going to be some compulsion (if you catch my drift).
It hasn't been all that long ago when most people in the working dog world didn't want to have anything to do with marker training. I just think it's time for people to understand that it's not so much as the system as it is the relationship.
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I reread the article, but given each person interprets it differently, I thought I'd paraphrase to verify what I understood:
Step One. Say "yes" or the marker word repeatedly while interacting with the pup. Then, once the pup begins to look for a treat every time I say "yes" then proceed to step 2:
2: Observe pup; every time pup does a? (any)/the? (a specific) behaviour, say yes - pause - give reward.
Once this is done, should one begin with sit or something else?
The article stresses the need to break down the command, but I feel I'm missing specifics on how to do so.
Re: Michael's comments re: relationship. I agree one needs to forge a relationship with one's pup - and I understood Ed to infer that training is a great contributor to relationship. I read on the American Veterinarian Behaviour Society, it can take up to a month to forge a bond. I am a new dog owner, who's likely made inadvertent mistakes, so I'm expecting it to take longer to bond with my pup.
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Re: After the marker is charged
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#263020 - 01/22/2010 07:03 PM |
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The way I've understood marker training in the beggining is within 1.5 seconds after the mark, (yes) you give the reward. I really don't wait to give the reward at all as long as it's immediately after the mark, and the mark is given immediately after the behavior your looking for is displayed.
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Re: After the marker is charged
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#263027 - 01/22/2010 08:36 PM |
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I reread the article, but given each person interprets it differently, I thought I'd paraphrase to verify what I understood:
Step One. Say "yes" or the marker word repeatedly while interacting with the pup. Then, once the pup begins to look for a treat every time I say "yes" then proceed to step 2
Well, I think the confusion may be here. Say 'yes', and give the pup a treat (and a good treat, like bits of chicken breast). Repeat and repeat and repeat...
Every time you say 'yes', you must give him a treat. You are not expecting any behavior from him when you do this. Just 'Yes' and give him the treat...
(and pehaps there is no confusion, but I'm not sure because of how you have worded this)
After you have done this 10 or 15 times, say 'yes' when your pup isn't looking and see if he looks at you, expecting a treat. If he does, you now have loaded (charged) the marker.
After that, JUST TRY SOMETHING! You really can do no harm with marker training. You have to go through a learning curve of timing, etc to start to figure out what to do. Don't worry about making a mistake!
Here's your other thread:
http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/262744/page/0/fpart/1
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