Ariane Gauthier wrote 06/20/2011 10:15 AM novice tracking question #336792 - 06/20/2011 10:15 AM
Ariane Gauthier Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2010 Posts: 817 Loc: St-Lazare, Qc Offline	I need help here. Harley is tracking well, nose on the ground, taking his time. But he does not eat the baits, except for the sent pad and in most turns. He is following the track but now knows that there is some fun games at the end of the track. My cats love tracking day for all the cool food. What should I do. Bait more/less, higher value bait, bigger/smaller pieces, remove the toy at the end, hold him back so he slows down even more? Any help is welcome. Lucifer!
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Kelly Byrd wrote 06/20/2011 10:29 AM Re: novice tracking question [Re: Ariane Gauthier ] #336794 - 06/20/2011 10:29 AM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	I'm a novice tracker as well.... but Koenig was/is doing the same thing. I've taken a step WAYYY back by my TD's instruction, in Koenig's tracking. His nose was getting high, he was pushing through too fast, and beginning to air scent. She's got us back to straight puppy tracks, with food in every step. Initially, when I was tracking under another trainer, he had us 'graduated' from food in every step since Koenig was not taking the bait. (He'd do the same as Harley, sniff right over it, but move on to the next footstep, not eating the bait) So now my TD has said he pretty much skips the bait because of speed. It's true. When I slow him down enough, he eats it. All of it. Just an idea.... tracking is not our strong suit. (well, it's Koenig's- but not mine! I'm a lousy handler!) Maybe you can get someone to take a video of you, so the more experienced trackers can see exactly what he's doing? Good luck!
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Cassie Timm wrote 06/20/2011 05:03 PM Re: novice tracking question [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #336836 - 06/20/2011 05:03 PM
Cassie Timm Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2011 Posts: 85 Loc: Offline	Another idea may be place your "Jack Pot" in different places along your track (end/middle/beggining) (I think this is what your talking about, if not I am sorry). Tracking is not my strong suit either, I have enough trouble walking in a straight line.
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john axe wrote 06/20/2011 06:13 PM Re: novice tracking question [Re: Cassie Timm ] #336842 - 06/20/2011 06:13 PM
john axe Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2011 Posts: 330 Loc: IL. Offline	I would not worry about it. i only bait the track for a short time. I would train the dog to down on articles, then give him a treat on the article when he was down and calm. after he was doing well with the exercise. i would the place the articles on the track about 50 ft apart my Sch 2&3 i only gave a treat on articles and at the end
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john axe wrote 06/20/2011 06:14 PM Re: novice tracking question [Re: Cassie Timm ] #336843 - 06/20/2011 06:14 PM
john axe Webboard User Reg: 05-13-2011 Posts: 330 Loc: IL. Offline	read or watch all you can on tracking and decide what works for you and your dog
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Ariane Gauthier wrote 06/20/2011 07:56 PM Re: novice tracking question [Re: john axe ] #336847 - 06/20/2011 07:56 PM
Ariane Gauthier Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2010 Posts: 817 Loc: St-Lazare, Qc Offline	Ok I have try to slow him down. He can crawl and get most baits, I mean right down on his belly. He is spitting out the bait with ants on them. I use hotdog at the moment. I will try to find something that ants won't like has much, maybe that will help I have on competitive goal in mind but want to do it well. Harley seem to have a good time at it. Dexter just won't go further then a few meters then quit. I am focusing on Harley and the boy friend can play with Dexter more, they love each other Lucifer!
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Betty Waldron wrote 06/20/2011 08:09 PM Re: novice tracking question [Re: Ariane Gauthier ] #336851 - 06/20/2011 08:09 PM
Betty Waldron Webboard User Reg: 07-11-2002 Posts: 2679 Loc: North Florida (Live Oak area) Offline	Quote: Harley is tracking well, nose on the ground, taking his time. But he does not eat the baits, except for the sent pad and in most turns. Are you happy with all the tracking except that he's not eating all the bait? Betty (Waldron) Mathena http://www.littlerivercanine.com
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Ariane Gauthier wrote 06/20/2011 08:23 PM Re: novice tracking question [Re: Betty Waldron ] #336852 - 06/20/2011 08:23 PM
Ariane Gauthier Webboard User Reg: 11-23-2010 Posts: 817 Loc: St-Lazare, Qc Offline	I find him still fast when compare to the video I have seen. I am very limited in experience but find tracking to be a good activity for him to use his brain and nose. Lucifer!
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Kelly Byrd wrote 06/20/2011 08:51 PM Re: novice tracking question [Re: Ariane Gauthier ] #336855 - 06/20/2011 08:51 PM
Kelly Byrd Webboard User Reg: 07-28-2010 Posts: 2249 Loc: Tacoma, WA Offline	It SUCKS to go slow. It's almost a chore to track with Koenig, because my hand and back hurt so bad when I'm done. Tried tracking in a prong, and he shut down. I don't know about ants and tuna, but I've heard that many dogs track very nicely for tuna packed in oil. Birds don't like it I guess (We have SchH trained crows in my area!!) and the dogs lick it up, which tends to slow them a bit. You might give that a try.
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Bob Scott wrote 06/20/2011 10:43 PM Re: novice tracking question [Re: Kelly Byrd ] #336862 - 06/20/2011 10:43 PM
Bob Scott Moderator Reg: 06-14-2002 Posts: 7417 Loc: St. Louis Mo Offline	Ant can be a real problem in some areas. You can try freezing it but in this weather that doesn't hold it long. As for leaving food. IF he's staying on the track no big deal but that depends on your goals. AKC or Schutzhund. Schutzhund requires that the dog stay deep nosed (puts his nose in EVERY footstep if you want full points. AKC is a bit easier in that all they want is for the dog to follow the track and mark the articles. Even the corners aren't super critical as long as the dog gets the job done. AKC is pass or fail. Schutzhund is scored and you need 170 or better. As for slowing the dog down do circles and serpentine tracks. (large S's). Untill the tracking is solid I would do articles as a separate exercise. You don't want to be training tracking AND articles at the same time. old dogs LOVE to learn new tricks
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