I think breeding a dog over 90 times is a bit much, UNLESS you can control ABSOLUTELY the quality of the females that you breed them to. (because if you don't the stud is wasted anyway) It is super super easier to do that in Europe, where there are just more working dogs available, and shorter distances to travel.

But, as the Czech lines are becoming more popular in the sport arenas then you will see more breedings.

It is unrealistic to expect any working dog to come the US, let alone Czech dogs, and see them bred 90 times. Very few dogs get that much exposure. . .unless they are show dogs. YUCK!

And what are you talking about WASTED for? If that is your idea, then every dog exported from Europe is basically wasted because it is leaving the largest breeding pool. I would think the problem is 100X worse down in Aussie land. he he he

Vancamp, Vancamp, Vancamp... Just because a dog is taken from Europe dosen't mean it's wasted. It's whats happens to him afterwards that will say if the dog is wasted or not. If someone in the US had bought Bernd Leirburg as a two year old dog and bred him four times and none of his offspring were used properly, what would you call this? The word "WASTE" comes to mind. If however he was bred 50 times and he helped improve the breed then it would not be a waste.
Aussie breeders are very good breeders. As it is so expensive and hard to import new dogs into this country we have learned to selectvly breed on with what we had to improve them.
Annie, my Olymp son Din has had two breeding in the space of a year and he will deff have more to come. I would even think he will end up having more than Rene will have in the US. Now we have far less people here in Aust. than the US (20 Mill v's 320 Mill) and distance is even more of a problem here. Not only that but Din off spring will be breed on with by me and others.
We will get the best out of him.
I guarentee you he will have far more of an influence here than if he was kept in the US. He wont be "Wasted".
Now having said all that Aust. is not Utopia and we have our problems that we deal with such as politics, a very small Schutzhund community, the lack of accesable good training among others.
But I still say that alot of quality dogs get imported into the US and do not get used enough to better the breed.

My turn, just how many quality females you plan on breeding DIN too? A superior female breed to an above average male will produce better results then a top line male bred to a average female.

How many of the few avaliable superior females will be bred before you know what the crosses will produce.

My view with all the top breeders is that most really don't research enough to get the most from their breedings. Unbiased use of superior male and superior females for whatever reason do not happen enough.

Then, how about this view, for what ever reason exposure to the public most often determines what stud dogs are popular at the moment. Or how many dogs worldwide that have a genetic makeup better then the the stud of the moment, that just produces a few superior working dogs and is never given the exposure to the public.

So many variables come into play when breeding that it has not become a fool proof endeavor, even for the most knowledgeable breeders.

Time to stop, dreaming of having a great female to breed with the top stud of the day, :rolleyes: <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Or just find me a great working dog that will MAYBE produce a gfew good pups in a litter. Did I say a few good pups and not the whole litter? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> You don't hear that from many big time breeders, do you.

The goal is always to breed the best with the best.
But the fact is that pups only get 50% of their genes from the mother and 50% from the father. The only difference is that the female raises the pups. A sharp aggressive bitch that on hearing a noise jumps up and barks at the noise will imprint the pups differently to a calm female that does not go off her tree. Geneticly (sp?) she can have NO MORE influance than the male can.
Secondly, I have spoken to many long time working breeders in Europe and they have commonly said that there best producing females were not always the best females.

The goal is always to breed the best with the best. If only it was that easy.

As far as the best females not producing...

Danu is by far my best producing female. However, Kati is my best bitch.

Chris wrote: "But I still say that alot of quality dogs get imported into the US and do not get used enough to better the breed."

A lot of quality dogs get imported to a lot of places and are wasted (breeding wise). A lot of dogs are not imported anywhere and are sitting in Europe being wasted. That goes on everywhere, and the US is one of the lesser offenders.

**Aussie breeders are very good breeders.**

I have no doubt that there are some good breeders in Australia, I also know good number of good breeders in US.

**Annie, my Olymp son Din has had two breeding in the space of a year and he will deff have more to come. I would even think he will end up having more than Rene will have in the US.**

Didn't realize we were competeing with number of breedings;-) Kidding aside, I had quality not quantity in mind when I got Rene. Same with Brit and Hex. Brit has only had 3 and Hex one breeding so far, not sure of the numbers on Rene without pulling his breeding record out but would quess about half dozen to date. It is easy for me to be very selective since I didn't have to pay mega bucks for my dogs and I don't have to "get my money back" with breedings or selling puppies. I wouldn't pay US$15,000 plus for any dog:-) or even close.

no one has mentioned congo vikar?

Has anybody seen Congo Vikar work? What about you Nate? I really like his structure, pigment and thick bone! He was supposedly one of the 3 top studs in the Czech! Any thoughts?