I received a pm from a gentleman who know Dianne they didn't seem to like my tone. One thing I've found in life there are 3 sides to the truth YOURS AND MY version with the actual truth somewhere in the middle . To solely blame the Kennel,dog or seller is idiotic. To fully blame Dianne is to. But, Dianne has to take some responsibility to pay 12,000 grand for a GSD signing a purchase order where it states 25% of purchase price will be kept on a returned dog.

I don't like the fact he sold you a dog. You didn't have the experience or knowledge to handle. Chances are alot of people on this board couldn't handle the dog. If, he didn't answer all your question to your liking. You should have passed on buying the dog. You should have felt the answers didn't jive with reality. Let's face reality high drive dogs will kill cats unless you have a lion,tiger or bear oh my. They must know the pack order and you are pack the leader who will not allow harm to the cat.

I would have kept the dog. Got a new cat followed Ed's advice on introducing cats to dogs. Hired a local trainer to help. My advise next time shop around. Ask opinion's of others with experience that can help. Join a sch club or dog training club get some experience with higher drive dogs. Empower yourself so you won't have to play the victim next time. The dog business is full of crooks but if you ask around on this website. There are some knowledgeable that are honest sometimes brutally honest. There are people here that would do what's in the best interest for the dog and new handler. Sometimes in life you need a thick skin.

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In any subculture, there are always experts who look down on those newer and less experienced, and who express their opinions rather frankly, secure in the knowledge that there credentials and experience make them exempt from compassion and civility. I accepted this as the price for the good advice I usually receive here.

I couldn't agree with you more!! When I first found message boards 5 years ago, I was so horrified by the nastiness, that I thought everyone in the dog world was insane and abandoned the boards for a long time choosing to just rough it on my own figuring things out.

I think Diana's thread wasn't too bad on the scale of attacks. It was actually mild compared to many I've seen. Where was her compassion for the kennel that she was pointing the finger at? She said in the PM you posted that she didn't blame the kennel, yet she listed them in someone else's thread in the crooked kennel and thieves section and supposedly posted all over other boards about this. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> In her post she was completely lacking in personal responsibility when she asked if anyone ever had that problem with a KENNEL before.

I've heard the 'let them work it out' advice and even used it. Nobody can give a correction as good as a cat. I don't think I would give someone else that advice though. Nobody else was on the phone to hear exactly what advice was given. I'm sure there was a little more to it than that and if there wasn't this is where common sense should have kicked in.

I think if you want compassion you should at least give it first. Because of issues like this, kennels with good dogs will be hesitant to sell to competant, but inexperienced people because of the incidents of a select few.

I went to her various posts, including the one that ended up locked (which is the one referred to here)(and including the one she posted on someone else's thread when her post got locked). Several people told her how sorry they were about her cat, while also telling her that this kind of thing can happen with high-drive dogs. If she knew about this board, why didn't she look up Ed's info on introducing new dogs to resident cats, instead of waiting until disaster happened and posting slams about where she bought the dog?
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She never said anything specifically about any advice she got, nobody's psychic here, either post the whole story or get judged for half the story.

Hijacking threads and not spelling properly when nobody on a board knows who the heck you are, and your first posts are slamming a kennel because your new dog killed your cat, it just screams "ditz who bought a dog n got her cat killed", I'm not saying that's true, but that's how it comes accross. Message Boards are about taking things at face value because that's all you have to go on, if you want someone to take more into consideration you need to provide more information.

Study on human nature? Yes, I'll go with that... if you study human nature more then you realize you can sculpt peoples responses by phrasing things a certain way. Attorney's do it for a living.

She didn't blame the kennel in so many words, but (and I paraphrase)... "I bought a dog from these people", "My dog killed my cat", "They said my dog was OK with cats", "Has anyone had bad experiences with this kennel?"... well, that would suggest that her dog killing her cat is a bad experience with this kennel, so it sounds to me like she is blaming the kennel.

Yes, many people on this board can be rude, offfensive, always looking to argue and always looking to pick apart peoples posts and put peoples dogs down, annoying ain't it?

Sorry her cat got killed, I'd be upset too, but this entire thread is over the top.

I feel bad that she had a bad experience.
Unfortunately some dog kennels will tell you anything to sell a dog.
Remember that alot of different people with different opinions on dog training and advice post on here. Some advice is good and some is not so good.
This board is one of the best run to keep bashing
in check.

Now lets get back to dog training!

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