Instead of continuing to hijack the overvaccination thread, I felt I should post this link here
Vaccination-The Hidden Truth

This is a documentary about vaccines, geared mostly to human medicine but there is a reference to dogs also. It's very long( 90 minutes or so), but worth watching. I first watched it 4 months ago but someone just sent the link to me again about 5 minutes ago.

Food for thought!

here is also an interesting article, with lots of data.

http://whale.to/vaccines/hancock.html

Again, geared to humans but it applies to dogs as well.

My husband and I recently had the chance to watch this video. We urge everybody to watch this. From a scientific standpoint, its very compelling.

Thank you, Cindy, for sharing it with us all.

I totally agree that vaccines are sometimes more harmful than their chance of actually helping, in humans and animals. We have actually chosen not to vaccinate our child until he is at least over two years of age and only for a selected few (literally only 4 for life) that have been proven more helpful in defending the disease than hurtful. If he gets sick with something, the treatment is easier and safer than the "preventative"-vaccine. We get diseases and sickness to prepare our immune systems for worse diseases later- we all have to get sick sometime or we'd be sick all the time.

Alison Voore

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I totally agree that vaccines are sometimes more harmful than their chance of actually helping, in humans and animals. We have actually chosen not to vaccinate our child until he is at least over two years of age and only for a selected few (literally only 4 for life) that have been proven more helpful in defending the disease than hurtful. If he gets sick with something, the treatment is easier and safer than the "preventative"-vaccine. We get diseases and sickness to prepare our immune systems for worse diseases later- we all have to get sick sometime or we'd be sick all the time.

Alison Voore

There has been a lot of evidence for quite some time that waiting till 2 years of age and giving single dose (monovalent) vaccines, rather than the combination shots is much safer in terms of health, and much more effective in creating lasting immunity. However we all know how long it takes for change in policy in society. I'll be very surprised if I ever hear publicly, an official statement that our vaccine protocols for humans needs to be changed. I doubt they'll ever publicly show a chink in the vaccine armor.

I did some research of my own in college on Diabetes. To make a long story short, there are specific compounds made from the MMR shot called "islet activating" compounds. They've known about these compounds since at least the 60's. They are found ONLY in people that have had MMR shots and newborns that have congenital rubella, meaning the mother had rubella when they were born so they got it too.

Those compounds disappear quickly in the congenital cases however they can persist for 7 years or more in those that are vaccinated. The interesting thing in all of this is that those compounds are called islet activating compounds because they stimulate the islet of langerhans cells (insulin producers) in the pancreas. They keep them stimulated, until eventually they fatigue and die. Seems like a pretty strong link to me.

But the official party line is over and over again that there is no link. Lately its been all on vacc's and autism. Autism is poorly understood and the link between vacc's and autism may or may not be someone grasping at straws, BUT this link between those compounds that kill the insulin producing cells of the pancreas, and that Diabetes (type I) is exactly someone that has a pancreas that can't produce insulin????? How can you deny the connection???

The movie was great. I have a mini schnuazer Charlie who has had an anaphylatic reaction after getting his rabies and 2 series of puppy vaccines. We are lucky that we live less 2 miles from an emergency animal hospital. This was 1 1/2 years ago.

I searched for a vet that would be good for Charlie after he had his reaction and thought I'd found one.

The week before last after Charlie had been in to see the vet to have routine labs and tests done to assure his health he was given two vaccines. One for corona virus and one for leptospirosis.

He started acting strange, tired which at first I thought it was normal then started starring off into space or just at me for long periods of time.

About 4 or 5 days after the vaccines were given I came home from work to find him with small tremors noted in his legs and throwing up. He had developed a large induration at the injection site about 8cm in size. I took him to the emergency animal hospital where he was given dexamethazone(steroids) and oral anitbiotics to take for one week.

While at the Emergency animal hospital I learned that Charlie did not need either of the vaccines and am very disappointed, highly frustrated and angry that his vet who knew Charlie had a serious reaction to vaccines would sugget he have two that he did not need.

I have a follow up appointment with the vet this week at which time I am going to ask him why he would have suggested something that Charlie did not need esp given his history.

The emergency animal vet told me that corona virus has never been isolated in a canine and that is not recommeneded for dogs. He also told me that since we live in Arizona we do not have Lyme disease, since we do not travel with Charlie to where he would be exposed to such he did not need it which is what the other vaccine was given to prevent.

I feel very sad about all of this as I allowed the vet to make these decisions for Charlie because this is his area of specialty. Since I stated researching the topic I have made some amazing comparisons about Charlie and his vaccines. He received his puppy shot two early and the vet that first assessed him said that the breeder who did that may have caused his immune sysytem to be damaged as a result.

I had a small nickle size area that appeared to be a large scab of skin located on his right shoulder removed off of Charlie about 3 or 4 months after his first puupy shot at the vet. I was worried that it was cancerous, it was not and he received antibiotic treatment for such. I did not think that it might have been related to his vaccine. Now I am not so sure.

He had his anaphylatic reaction in which his face swelled and he was grunting to breath after his rabies and 2 puppy series were given on the day he was neutered. After this any time he received a vaccine he had an IV and was premedicated and observed all day.

I found out afterwards that it was not a good idea to vaccinate on the same day he was neutered. That was done at the humane society and I am disappointed that they would not promote good health for animals by suggesting or requiring owners to split up dates for vaccines and sterilization procedures.

The real icing on the cake is the realization for me professionally about vaccines. I am a neonatal ICU nurse and care deeply about my patients. Now I have become very passionate and feel that it is important to do something about vaccines, not only for animals but for humans also. The ramifications of vaccines have already taken a toll and I am trying to figure out the best way for me to help.

First I would like to know if any one of you might know if there is anything I can do about the breeder who vaccinated Charlie to early. Breeders should know that harming an animals immune system only sets the breed up for further problems. Is there any way to report this action to help prevent this from happening?

I feel there should be some ramification for the vet who vaccinated Charlie this last time. I feel that this was malpractice and am now looking for a new vet. I have the American Animal Hospital Associations 2006 vaccination guidelines and plan to discuss them with Charlie's current vet as we have thought of him as a great practitioner in the past.

I have a legal plan through my work so I am going to see if I can get a lawyer to take my case even it is only to recover the cost of this last emergency animal hospital visit. Does any one have any suggestions about any of the latter?

I am looking to find a homeopathic vet and plan to search the web as well as look through the blogs here and am looking for recommendations from any one.

I am going to be requesting some article searches about vaccination research and would like to know how I might get the news media to pick up some stories on this. I plan to look over the messages here for further articles,movies, books etc. to help educate myself.

I appreciate all of you who took the time to read this as it is so long. I appreciated any suggestions and promise my message next time will be shorter.

I'm so sorry, Cheryl, about your dog's experience.

This article is excellent and straightforward in and of itself, but it also links the reader to a pile of additional information.

http://home.earthlink.net/~pawsreflect/vaccinosis.html

Sorry to hear about your dog

http://www.leerburg.com/vaccinosis.htm

A little ways down on the page there are instructions on how to report vaccine reactions. I would definately let them know about your story. Not once, but twice! Poor pup! Someone else chime in, but wasn't something recently discussed about people being given letters of exemption for rabies vaccinations if the dog is high risk for problems. I could be WAY off, but thought I could remember reading something to that effect. I think that would be worth looking into for your dog.

The original video link no longer works, here's the new link:

CLICK HERE

Well worth watching!

I was really impressed by how much evidence they present to support their presentation. The data is also collected not from one, but from a multitude of extremely well respected scientific journals.
There's only one thing I disagree with and that's the antibody explanation given by the old doctor - it's innacurate and his analogy is flawed.

Everything else is very well analyzed and accurate.

The first time I watched this video I could hardly believe what I was hearing and seeing, so I wrote down all the references that the doctors and researchers made to the scientific literature.
I wanted to confirm for myself that the data is indeed authentic.

I was able to confirm the accuracy of almost every reference made in the video: from the articles in the Pediatric Journal of Infectious Diseases, the New England Journal of Medicine, the Lancet, the Journal of American Medical Association, the American Journal of Epidemiology, the Tokai Journal of Experimental Biology and Medicine etc.

(There were a few articles I couldn't access because they were published decades ago and are not electronically available from the Journal websites).

I did my own research as well and was able to uncover a number of much more recent articles, again in some of the higher-end journals (like Science), which provide even more evidence supporting the facts presented in the video.

It's mind-boggling how doctors continue to push these harmful and useless vaccines onto millions of children when there's SO MUCH evidence published in their very own professional journals against it!!
You don't need to have a background in medicine or biology to understand some of these data... some of it is astonishingly obvious.

Either doctors and medical officials just aren't bothering to read the research going on in their OWN FIELDS of practice and are just happy swallowing and regurgitating what they were told in medical school, or they are aware of all the evidence, but choose to ignore it.
At least the drug companies are happy - they're making astronomical profits from these vaccines.

Whatever the reason, it's despicable.

If anyone is interested in reading these scientific publications (without having to pay the subscription fee to the journal), let me know. I have full free access to most of them via my university login.

This video is excellent and I urge everyone to see it!
It gives a great starting point to research the issue of vaccination. I was just as skeptical as the average person regarding these anti-vaccine claims, but I've definitely had my eyes opened these past few months thanks to the video (in part) and thanks to all the research this led me to do on my own.

Wish my parents had seen this 20 years ago too...

I am definately interested. My dog received a potent series all at once: DHPP#4, lyme disease #2, and Rabies (1st) and within a week this dog was showing rotating lameness in all limbs. Eventually he came to be diagnosed with bilateral elbow dysplasia and had thousands of dollars of surgery. His right elbow remains unfused and arthritic. The left did fuse but is still arthritic. All of the vets we had contact with disputed that the vaccines could have led to this. I disagree. And watching this video has made my beliefs stronger. I will no longer vaccinate (with the potential exeption of rabies, which I have not yet made a determination about) my current dog or future dogs. Thank you for this video. I am forwarding it to people I know. Lord help me if I have children someday...