 Questions on training the stand
#138779 - 04/20/2007 09:36 AM |
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Hey folks! I would like some ideas on training the stand with my young male. I started him as a puppy with just Sitz and Platz and he's "getting" that. However, now that I've started trying to train the Stand he's not picking it up like he did with the other two positions. He's just not getting it.
So give me some ideas, folks? How do you train a young dog in the Stand?
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Guest1 wrote 04/20/2007 09:56 AM
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[Re: Yvette Woodward ]
#138782 - 04/20/2007 09:56 AM |
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Have him sit in front of you.
Don't walk forward into him.
Don't mess with his feet.
He'll start doing bizarre little dances, otherwise. I had to get him over all this random paw-raising, turning to angles etc. Pain.
Have someone loop a rope, or leash under his lower abdomen.
"Steh!"
Your partner props him crisply into a standing position.
Mark. Treat.
Work your way incrementally from immediate propping to a moments hesitation to see what he does. Mark and treat progressive and independent raising of rear end til complete.
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Re: Questions on training the stand
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#138796 - 04/20/2007 11:46 AM |
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I did it a little different, not sure if its the best or even right way but it did work. I had him sitting in heal position holding him by the collar. I held a treat above his head and gently slid my left foot kind of over the top of his rear feet and when I made contact with his body I said stand, he stood and I gave him the treat. I held the collar tight enough so that he couldnt just move his body back away.
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Re: Questions on training the stand
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#138806 - 04/20/2007 12:38 PM |
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From the sit, tickle him under the flank area - he will stand, reward.
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Re: Questions on training the stand
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#138858 - 04/20/2007 10:23 PM |
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Good ideas, folks. What I've been doing so far is to tell him to sit and then put my hand under his belly and gently lift up while telling him to Steh. He will stand up, then I mark and reward, but he is having a hard time making the connection. After many, many repititions I have to still give him the help to get him to stand.
If I just tell him the command, to see if he's starting to get it, he'll platz or fuss or even spin around, trying different behaviors at random to try to get his reward. But so far, he won't make a move that even looks like he's thinking of raising his rear. Oy vey!
I want to get him off the "hand help" as soon as I can because that's a sloppy way to train.
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Re: Questions on training the stand
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#138890 - 04/21/2007 12:21 PM |
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I've tried the leash looped under the belly and trying to position her by manipulation. The leash loop works to an extent but the manipulation with my dog anyways is really hit and miss she usually just turns into floppy dog when I try that.
How I do it is I draw my dog out of the sit or platz with a treat. i.e. having a treat in my right hand have the dog in the heel position show her the treat she will be intrested in it, give the stand/steh command and lure her up into stand. Give her the treat and/or mark it with a clicker.
Rinse and repeat, I'm still having a rough time with this one too, the platz and sit was easy peasy compared to the stand.
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Re: Questions on training the stand
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#138897 - 04/21/2007 02:23 PM |
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Come on guys, this is easy!! You are at the side of the dog. Treat in the hand holding the collar. Give your command. At the same time use your other hand to TICKLE under the flank, even a very light pinch but don't lift the dog yourself. As soon as the dog begins to stand, reward.
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Re: Questions on training the stand
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#148967 - 07/18/2007 11:54 PM |
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Wondering how Yvette and Geoff are doing with the stand by now? I just started teaching this week and was curious on how to make it easier to teach. I've been giving the command, then lifting with my arm under my dog's waist. After 4 days, no progress what so ever. I may have to try what Susan says....
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Re: Questions on training the stand
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#148987 - 07/19/2007 08:09 AM |
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Thanks, Alex, for renewing this thread. I have just started teaching my dog the Stand and she hasn't responded on her own after three days. I have tried the leash lift and pulling her up with my hand, but she just hasn't got it yet. I think I will try the tickle method recommended by Susan Tuck.
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Re: Questions on training the stand
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#149009 - 07/19/2007 10:37 AM |
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I have always taught the stand from a moving heel position. That way they are already on their feet and all you have to do is put out your right hand as a signal to stay and your left hand under the belly to keep them from sitting. This is how I have gotten such nice random stand stays when my dogs are out and about moving and I think I get a much nicer position for the stand for exam from this.
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