I need help on bark training my puppie. I read one of Ed's articles on bark training and I did what he said, witch was tie him up un on a line, get him very exited/huper and tease him with a very good treat or toy, say my bite word and give treat at ANY nois (bark or not) he makes. But When I do this he gets good and crazy but dose not make nois, not any. And if I keep doing it after a little wile he just gets unhappy stops doing anything, some times he will even lay down. I can tell that I'm not doing somthing right. But I don't know what.

Is the treat not good enough? What I'm I doing that I should not be, or that I should be that I'n not? Help Please!

If I remember correctly, you have a young dog that you are trying to train in both service work and personal protection. I also remember that the service work that you would be having the dog do would be picking things up and holding doors. With your physical limitations and just starting with all of this training on a 12-week-old pup, you NEED to be working with an instructor for at least the protection part of his duties. But I don’t think it is a good idea to hope to get both out of one dog for many reasons.

What you are doing (as far as trying to get him to bark) is about what I would do, except that you need to focus on prey drive building. Based on a couple of your posts that I have read, he has no desire to play with a toy or tug. Please, if at all possible get the video Drive Focus & Grip. It will show you how to do this. But in the mean time, you need to try something else, as the food is not working.

Go back to the back tie, and instead of holding a treat in front of him and giving a command that means nothing to him yet, tease him with a rag on a rope. Just an everyday, cheap white rag. Tie a rope (and attached to a pole for even more range and control) around it and kinda flip it around just out of his reach. Swing it and drag it back and forth. Jerk it so it moves just a little, and all just out of his reach.

I would not be giving a command yet (picture telling the dog to sit, sit, sit, sit until he does, but still has no clue what you are asking) but would wait until he is barking, and when he does, tell him “Good _____” (We use "Reveir!" for barking.It is used later in the bark and hold.)When he finally does bark, give him the satisfaction of catching the rag. He is probably teething a little, so no real tugging, but a very little resistance with out causing pain should be OK (or just wait until he is done teething for even better training). Keep holding the rope so that when he drops the rag you can go right back into the teasing.

Please stop BEFORE he gets bored and starts looking around for something else to do. If this happens, put him back in his crate for a while and try again later.

If you are working with a trainer, they can have a second dog doing bite work while your pup is tied up and watching. Sometimes seeing and hearing another dog working and barking gets them worked up.

Keep in mind that this training is a VERY physical kind. There will come a time when this dog, if he gets his drives up, will be pulling and lunging at the end of a leash, and even just building drive can leave me out of breath. You will be doing a lot of back tying and will likely need a second handler if your physical limitations are severe enough to need a service dog. And you WILL need to work with a trainer and helper (for SO many reasons, among them, this is not a type of training that even a intermediate trainer can do alone.). It is a very exciting discipline, and there are so many rewards when that bond between you and your dog develops with the understanding that you will share. I wish you luck!!!

Christi, it may not be just a matter of excitement to get your puppy to bark, it needs some frustration. Thats why what Jessica is telling you works when treats don't. He needs the frustration of just missing that rag. And sometimes a helper is gonna make the difference.

Some pups just don't like to bark. At least, not when you want them to anyway...

Christi,

I tried for a LONG time to get Jesea (who is VERY toy driven) to bark. Back tying and everything did not seem to work.
She would go into drive and stay there forever, and whine, but not bark.

When I went to the Mondio seminar, she actually started to bark at Michael when he was "agitating" her by "teasing" her with the sleeve.

Now that I am home, I work her with Doug (or whoever is helping me), who "teases" her and she barks. She barks her head off in her kennel and I was going to try and reward that but when she sees me, she shuts up, so that would not work.

I found that it is probably me, since I spent so much teaching her not to bark that she just will not bark for me.

Maybe try that, you hold the lead and have someone else tease him up?
I agree to stop before he gets bored and I would maybe verbally reward for any loud whining he may start to make as well, this may help him learn that "noise" is what you want.

Thank you.
My needs for a service dog are very, very small. I can do without a service dog but I would like one. Please understand that I'm still very much so in the thinking phase of making him a PPD and a service dog. I got him to do PPD, not service. I do understand that having him do both would be alot, if not to much.
If I made him a PPD and a service dog he really would be a dog that go's everywere with me and only helps me about an 8th of the time. If I needed a dog for help alot more of the time I would never think of doing both. I do not want to over load my dog but I feel that with how much I would need his help (almost none) that I would be doing/asking to much of him.

I do have awonderful helper that is working with me. So I'm not doing this on my one.

Thanks again for all your help.

P.S. Sorry, I did not mean to sound as if he would be a full time service dog. I can understand why that would rais a red flag about me in yor mind.

No red flags about you . You have a young dog and are exploring your options. I have seen people in wheel chairs that are able to make it (sport training) work, but with some physical limitations you will often need help. None of this is about what your limits may or may not be; it is about your ability to train the dog in the very demanding discipline you have chosen. You get to make that decision

Like Mike stated, some dog just won’t bark. We have a young female pit at our club that just refuses. No amount of frustration (thank you Steve) works.

Perhaps with maturity…

What does your helper say? Does your dog bark for anything else? A knock at the door? Anything…

He barks somtimes to the lady that lives next door and he barks at his water dish when he plays with it