Ana Kozlowsky Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2010
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Hello everybody,
In Building Drive and Focus DVD and in Tug DVD Ed and Michael mention that "into my arms" is an outdated method that "still works with a certain type of dog" and that now there are better methods. But I see people bringing dogs into their arms all the time and in Raising a Working Puppy DVD Ed says that IYA is a good thing.
What does it mean? What type of dog? What other methods are out there?
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Hey Ana, when you get your dog and start working him, if cradling isnt right for him, Dave will have a plan and other options for you. After a while I quit trying to cradle my Rott. It wasnt doing any good. We would just run a bit and then down him. Then I would pet him calmly for a little bit.
From Drive DVD it is my understanding that IMA is intended to promote calm and confident grip. Better methods to create engagement are mentioned often, but that seems to be a different issue. Are there better methods to achieve the same goals as IMA was intended for?
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The engagement and bringing the tug is useful for your obedience and for communicating with your dog. Keeping his constant focus on you. The into my arms, or cradling, is for calming and sort of showing him he doesnt need to worry about or be so focused on you.
For obedience, that's not what your looking for. I thought that the cradling on building drive and focus was meant as foundation for future work with a helper, not so much to do with the focus building.
I thought it was because in certain dogs, not all dogs but in some, it would promote their possessive nature too much. Making handling somewhat an issue later on, especially on the out after agitation.
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Quote: steve strom
The into my arms, or cradling, is for calming and sort of showing him he doesnt need to worry about or be so focused on you.
Somehow I missed that 2nd part and I watched BD&F at least 3 times. It is all about building drive and focus, right?
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For obedience, that's not what your looking for.
Does it hurt OB then?
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I thought that the cradling on building drive and focus was meant as foundation for future work with a helper, not so much to do with the focus building.
I thought it would promote possessiveness, make the dog want the toy more and make him grip harder?
Why not with a young dog? In RWP DVD Cindy does it with a mal pup and Ed says IMA is a good thing. Does it meant the pup in the video is that specific type IMA is good for?
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I thought it was because in certain dogs, not all dogs but in some, it would promote their possessive nature too much. Making handling somewhat an issue later on, especially on the out after agitation.
If thats it, its not what I've seen with my two. Maybe a minor point too, but you really don't out after agitation. They get to win it with a good bite. The helper comes to a calmer, still point for the out.
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The only point I'm trying to make, and probably missing it is, that cradling is probably nothing to bother with for your ob. It's different when your doing protection. There's a good chance there's something I've missed on the dvd and I'm going by what I've done with my dogs. But remember Ana, with every dog there's going to be things that don't follow the textbook.
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