David C.Frost Webboard User Reg: 01-23-2002
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I won't speak for others, but mine drop the ball when told to drop it. They search when I tell them find it. Sit when I tell them to sit, down when I tell them to...... well you get my drift. A command, is a command is a command. Each command has an associated behavior. If I give it, the dog will perform. Don't make it harder than it has to be.
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Any behavior that is reinforced is more likely to occur again.
I find that many people feel the dog should fight you for their toy, and at some stages, particularly in the primary reward system, it may be helpful to begin that way. Particularly if you are planning on selling a dog to someone who has only moderate knowledge and is using a recipe to perform the selection test.
Some people will stand there and speak of how much drive the dog has because it won't give up the toy. But, really is this where we want the expression of drive to be?? Seems that in scent cone and at the source is where I want to see the focus of a dog's efforts. I have sen dogs that were so hardened to letting go of their toy that the process of getting back a toy wrecked the next training search because the dog was still recovering from the fight over the toy.
I say, the dog lets go when told, and hangs on when allowed.
Chip Bridges Webboard User Reg: 03-29-2009
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Lori, are you asking the importance of the command or how to teach the out? The latter will vary by dog, some will trade it for a treat or reward and pick it right up, super-high drive dogs (which a loping retrieve wouldn't indicate), can require physical corrections at first. Are you sending this dog off for narc work with someone else, or is he going to be rehomed as a family pet? Sorry for the basic questions, just curious.
This is more the area of my question. I have started the drive/search building for this dog. I haven't placed any scents with the ball yet, he is searching for the ball. His drive is definately for the search and for the tug afterwards. Since he loves to tug, I am unsure of
1. How long/when should he be able to keep and hold his ball after he finds it. It does take a little while to locate the ball, and he looks until he finds it...
2. Also, Mr. Frost has answered from his experience, but from other POV's does LE purchased trained dogs for narco detection? Or do they mostly prefer green dogs that they train in-house?
If there is not a call for a civilian to train narco dogs, then I will not get into the trade. It does seem that in my state I can obtain a DEA Researchers permit if needed. But again, if LE agencies won't buy from me, then why pursue?
Thanks again,
P.S. I may also post as a separate question if this gets buried.
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