holly bushard posted:

"I have 3 dogs but I can only feed raw to two of them. My third dog vomits raw. I have started her on raw a half a dozen times, but she throws up chicken and turkey about an hour after eating it. I grind the food, so the issue isn't bone or failure to chew. At the start of our food trials, she eagerly eats raw, but after a few days, she won't touch it. I have tried giving her raw as a treat, say 1 TB at a time, hoping that her body would learn to deal with it. She still throws it up more than half of the time. I tried lightly cooking the meat (boneless) and she still throws up.

This same dog can eat cooked turkey and cooked chicken for training treats in pretty high quantity and is just fine. At this point, I have given up but would be willing to try again if someone had some advice."

Hi, Holly,

First, I would not give raw as treats if you are feeding kibble for the meals. (Mixing raw and kibble isn't a good idea.)

Is this a puppy or adult?

"She still throws it up more than half of the time. I tried lightly cooking the meat (boneless) and she still throws up."
Has the meat that she vomits whether it's cooked or raw been from the same source?

How long have you been feeding them raw?

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Did you ever incorporate probiotics or enzymes?

I've heard that some dogs that have eaten kibble their whole lives simply lack the stomach enzymes and gut bacteria to process raw foods. The stomach won't tolerate being asked to work. That always came from anti-raw vets though so I'm not sure how much truth is in it.

 Quote: holly bushard

I've used AddLife by Wysong. If there is a better/different reccomendation I would certainly be open to it.

Also, Holly, to be clear: She vomits even a tablespoon of ground raw, right?

I have tried hamburger, turkey, and chicken (raw). We mostly use turkey around here. She vomits raw meat much of the time. She tolerates ALL cooked meat and gets a lot of it.

She does not seem to have any food issues. You can give her crappy treats, quality food, canned, all normal protein sources (if cooked) some dairy and table scraps. No issues.

I tried to switch her to raw 2 years ago. Then I tried 6 monthss later. I have tried 3 or 4 times in the last few months. She can't keep it down consistently.

She won't touch fish oil. Ever. She is a greedy and voracious eater.

Thank you for starting the new thread!

Oh, and yes. She will throw up raw even if given in small quantities. But sometimes she can handle chicken skin and does just fine on beef butcher bones (which I guess are quite a bit of raw...)

What do you mean by beef butcher bones? Recreational bones. to gnaw on?

 Quote: holly bushard

I have tried hamburger, turkey, and chicken (raw). We mostly use turkey around here. She vomits raw meat much of the time. She tolerates ALL cooked meat and gets a lot of it.

She does not seem to have any food issues. You can give her crappy treats, quality food, canned, all normal protein sources (if cooked) some dairy and table scraps. No issues.

I tried to switch her to raw 2 years ago. Then I tried 6 monthss later. I have tried 3 or 4 times in the last few months. She can't keep it down consistently.

She won't touch fish oil. Ever. She is a greedy and voracious eater.

Thank you for starting the new thread!

Fish oil: IME, deodorized fish oil is fine with dogs who revolt against the smell and taste of "fishy" oil (like Grizzly Salmon Oil, which most dogs love but a few won't touch).



"She tolerates ALL cooked meat and gets a lot of it."

About cooked meat: If she is fed a lot of cooked meat, where does she get calcium? I'm assuming you don't feed cooked bones, right?

Right now she is a kibble fed dog. I assume she gets enough calcium from her kibble. The cooked meat is used as rewards for training. She also gets Red Barn rolls for training.

The butcher bones are raw meaty bones. She doesn't get sick off of them. Or off of the cooked meats.

Ohhhh, cooked-meat treats! OK, I thought you meant meals of cooked meat.. I getcha.

"The butcher bones are raw meaty bones." Can you give me an example? I still think we might be using different terms. Raw meaty bones are totally consumable and digestible.

( http://leerburg.com/feedingarawdiet.htm#RMB )

Raw meaty bones are the basis of the raw diet (like chicken backs). Most bones from a cow are recreational bones. That link goes into detail on both RMBs and recreational bones.




Also, to get myself clear, QUOTE: I tried lightly cooking the meat (boneless) and she still throws up and QUOTE: She doesn't get sick off of them. Or off of the cooked meats.

So if it's fully cooked, no problem, but lightly cooked, she vomits, right?




Well, you don't want to mix kibble and raw, but you could mix those rolls and raw.

Since I'm guessing that you want all three to be on the same raw diet, how do you feel about acclimatizing her GI system to raw in small steps that I'll list for you, and we'd keep the added boneless meat (which will start out with a slice of cooked) low enough in relation to the balanced rolls so that you don't need to add calcium. (This is an adult dog, with a much wider range of acceptable calcium than a puppy has.)

Do you want to try this? (You don't want to do it with kibble, because the cooked meat you add will get less and less cooked.)

(I wouldn't suggest this if I wasn't pretty sure it would work, if the dog is healthy in every other way. Is the dog otherwise healthy, good poops, good weight? No diarrhea? Never had a bad G.I. upset?)