 a couple of new-dog pack structure questions
#389293 - 02/26/2014 01:33 PM |
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Sabor's walks are going much better. It helps that Sidney is jogging with him in the morning - my afternoon walk yesterday went much better and I think that helped.
I braved the cold to take a couple photos during their morning jog this morning and you can see his attitude is much more relaxed and attentive, even with me being in the road with the camera as a distraction.
Sidney and Sabor jogging together http://www.flickr.com/photos/26715138@N04/12797644793/in/photostream/ Good exercise for my husband too! :-)
Close up of Sabor in movement as they got closer to the house http://www.flickr.com/photos/26715138@N04/12797609315/in/photostream/
We still have some pawing at the crate and scratching whenever the cats have crossed his view. We're being careful to lock them in the bathroom any time we remove him from the crate for breaks/walks but I release them after he's back in. Today the scratching/whining is less than 2 minutes in duration so hopefully this will continue to ease as he gets used to them.
Any tips for that other than just continue to let him work through that frustration? We've rewarded the calm AFTER the storm and it seems that the episodes are much shorter today than yesterday.
He's accepting and respectful of the crate any other time and goes in the crate beautifully on command otherwise.
Angela <><
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Re: a couple of new-dog pack structure questions
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#389294 - 02/26/2014 01:41 PM |
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"We still have some pawing at the crate and scratching whenever the cats have crossed his view. We're being careful to lock them in the bathroom any time we remove him from the crate for breaks/walks but I release them after he's back in. Today the scratching/whining is less than 2 minutes in duration so hopefully this will continue to ease as he gets used to them.
Any tips for that other than just continue to let him work through that frustration? We've rewarded the calm AFTER the storm and it seems that the episodes are much shorter today than yesterday."
I know the cat experts will join in.
Also, I wanted to concur 100% with Bob Scott that your new guy doesn't need additional weight. I'm kind of thinking that he might to lose a couple, if we could see a good body-profile shot as well as a view-from-above that takes in his body from shoulders to rump. Nothing drastic! And JMO.
And yes, he is lovely. 
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Yeah he still is scratching a bit in the crate when he sees the cat in his immediate view but it's lasting probably not even a full minute this morning.
Also when we came back in this morning the cat was standing the bedroom doorway and he looked, but ignored and went back in the crate with no hesitation. So he got lots of praise for that one.
He did good this morning other than the brief episodes of scratching in the crate. I did tell him "knock it off" when I was walking by once and redirected him to sit and rewarded the sit with a treat so he's able to refocus out of the episode when I ask him to do something.
But I don't know if that's what I should be doing.
I feel like this crate frustration behavior may just disappate on it's own. This is only Day 4 after all. Keep y'all focused.
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#389309 - 02/27/2014 09:10 AM |
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You're doing well - reward the good and the other behavior will extinguish itself. If he's just pawing at the crate and not climbing the inside trying to get at the cats, you're really ahead of the game imo. Just make sure he doesn't start trying to game you by acting up in the crate, looking for a 'sit, treat!'.
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IMHO, to me it sounds possible that the problem is more with the cats than the crate. If the crate behavior is great except when the cat appears, then maybe some desensitizing to the cats is in order?
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You're doing well - Just make sure he doesn't start trying to game you by acting up in the crate, looking for a 'sit, treat!'.
LOL! I have toddlers...I know ALL about the games. ;-)
IMHO, to me it sounds possible that the problem is more with the cats than the crate. If the crate behavior is great except when the cat appears, then maybe some desensitizing to the cats is in order?
Is there a tip for doing that while we're still in the isolation phase?
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#389316 - 02/27/2014 08:20 PM |
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We're heading into a big storm here, at the moment .... so this is kind of a "bump" to remind me, after the power isn't transient ....
This clip from Ed really lays it out. I should add that you are doing much right!
http://leerburg.com/dog-cat.htm
"The solution to a successful dog-cat situation with these dogs was to control the environment these animals were around one another and to insure that the dog was ALWAYS under my control."
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Re: a couple of new-dog pack structure questions
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#389317 - 02/27/2014 08:26 PM |
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BTW, I'm not a fan of allowing the cats to tease a crated dog, whether in a pack-structure protocol or not. For me, and this is JMHO (and I hope others will chime in), the cats would be in another (secure) room if they were prone to tease the crated dog or of the dog was particularly reactive.
Yes, desensitizing to cats is in order, and IMHO, it needs to happen before cats are loose in the room with the dog.
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BTW, I'm not a fan of allowing the cats to tease a crated dog, whether in a pack-structure protocol or not. For me, and this is JMHO (and I hope others will chime in), the cats would be in another (secure) room if they were prone to tease the crated dog or of the dog was particularly reactive.
Ha! It's like you're in my home. Today was the first day the cats were truly teasing instead of just going on about their normal business. As a result they are now in "time out" in the bathroom (where their food/water/business box is). Silly cats need to learn manners too. LOL!
Thanks for the encouragement. He seems to be doing SO well. I still can't believe that he was turned out on the street within a couple weeks of being adopted out the first time. He's energetic sure, but he's smart and WILLING...just needs some guidance.
Yesterday afternoon he did well on the walk and I let him on-leash lay on a pillow on the floor while I checked some emails (cats put away). He laid calmly for about five minutes. When I scratched on the head and then shoulder he rolled over for belly rubs.
The program works if you work it. The hardest part for me will be not moving too fast. Thanks for the cat link - I will read that right now.
Angela <><
PS I appreciate y'all being here and taking the time to respond to people's questions or even just my rambly updates. hehehehe
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Funny story about how training dogs can be as much about training family members also.
I had given the kids each a treat and told them that we were playing the "Sabor is Behaving" game. They could surprise Sabor with a treat when he was quiet and good.
So about two hours later I come out of the bathroom (always a risky proposition for a mother with five kids) and the toddler was squatting in front of the crate with the ENTIRE BAG of tiny hotdog pieces (I pre-cut hotdogs and put one hotdog per bag so I could easily grab and go during the day) and was feeding him the treats saying, "Good Ta-bah. Ta-bah a good boy."
"What are you doing, Vivian?" "Ta-bah is a GOOD BOY!" Then she popped one in her mouth and said, "I a good boy too."
*giggle* Ah, kids.
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