Ohhhhh..... So its the same difference between USRC and ARC in Rotts...

Huh. Makes sense.

But what I don't get is why anyone would have a problem with other breeds trialing at the different events. I mean its not like our Rotts are kicking the GSD butts out there on a regular basis. Most breed clubs welcome other breeds at trials. heck, we just held Schnauzerfest at our club. Trial slots were held for Schnauzers, and any that were left over were opened for all other breeds. Worked out great, and none of the RS people complained... We all had a great time!

Politics...

 Quote: JessicaKromer

But what I don't get is why anyone would have a problem with other breeds trialing at the different events.

Me either!

Katie

I am not aware of any GSDCA-WDA clubs in my area that have members with anything other than German Shepherds in the club. Taking your dog to a schutzhund trial to get titled is something different than having the dogs in the club.

And how does one train a dog to trial standards with out a club?

SV is recognized by FCI and does not recognize UScA.

What Ed has to say .. In my opinion Schutzhund USA is a corrupt organization with weak leadership. I was a member of Schutzhund USA from 1976 to 2008 and it saddens me to have to make these claims.

Schutzhund USA fosters a good old boy network that empowers bullies in the sport who have elevated cheating to an acceptable level of tolerance.

ETA: This rant is an addition to my own post from above...

And why not? How does it impact you in any negative way? I mean its cool if you have no love for any of the other working breeds, but unless the other breeds are putting the GSDs to shame, then what is the issue.

Now don't get me wrong, the is not much love lost between the Rott and GSD people. The amount of lip I get for working a Rott would astound you, or maybe not... The Dobie people get it worse than the Rott people and all the other breeds are just patted on the shoulder. Well except for the Mal's and Dutchies, they kick butt!

Personally I don't see what the big deal is about GSDs. I'll own and work a Rott as my breed of choice, and if I go to another breed, it will likely be a Dutchie. But I FULLY understand the love that each owner has for its breed and applaud them for wanting to do something with their dog/breed. NEVER would I condemn or want to exclude ANYONE for wanting to work their dog. We support each other in protection work, be it SCH or KNPV or Mondio as we are trying to defend our decision to train our "vicious dogs" to bite.

Our club is a USA club. We also pay our dues to the USRC and DVG directly. The SW regional treasurer is a club member here. We work GSDs (the majority), Rotts, Mals, RS and Pits. Most are SCH dogs, but some cross train in Mondio or other ring sports, and some are working police dogs. No bias here. We all love the sport and our breeds, but can see and appreciate the differences between the different styles of dog. A club that would exclude any other breed is a club that is missing a whole world of bite training.

All of our dogs get worked equally and all get trained to the best of their abilities. Being trained along side a GSD does not affect the training of my Rotts nor does training alongside a Mal affect the GSDs... Nor does it hurt the breeds or their future in any way at all.

Sorry for the rant...

 Quote: Charles Finley

SV is recognized by FCI and does not recognize UScA.

What Ed has to say .. In my opinion Schutzhund USA is a corrupt organization with weak leadership. I was a member of Schutzhund USA from 1976 to 2008 and it saddens me to have to make these claims.

Schutzhund USA fosters a good old boy network that empowers bullies in the sport who have elevated cheating to an acceptable level of tolerance.

What does the corruption have to do with other breeds. You have two different arguments here.

There is corruption going on, yes. It is everywhere! But how does the Pit, Rott or Mal factor into that.

If you don't like the UScA, the cancle your membership. Don't support them and don't trial under them. Easy.

The UScA should stop claiming to represent German Shepherds and claim to be what it is .. An all breed schutzhund training organization !! If you are committed to German Shepherds then all German Shepherds makes sense!! If you are committed to schutzhund then all breeds makes sense. Can't be both!!

 Quote: Charles Finley

Schutzhund USA fosters a good old boy network that empowers bullies in the sport who have elevated cheating to an acceptable level of tolerance.

Welcome to the world of dog sports. I cannot think of one dog activity in a club setting that doesn't have this in it to a certain extent. It is in the nature of competition and groups of people.

I guess I'm having trouble with your point Charles. Bottom line is if you think so little about a club don't go to their events. If your only reason why you have an issue is because someone else shows another breed, check your ego at the door because it doesn't effect you.

 Quote: charles finley

SV is recognized by FCI and does not recognize UScA.

What Ed has to say .. In my opinion Schutzhund USA is a corrupt organization with weak leadership. I was a member of Schutzhund USA from 1976 to 2008 and it saddens me to have to make these claims.

Schutzhund USA fosters a good old boy network that empowers bullies in the sport who have elevated cheating to an acceptable level of tolerance.

Correct that the FCI does not "recognize" UScA at the present time...at least not yet... My point though is that UScA as an organization is closer aligned with the FCI as they follow the same international GSD breed standard.

GSDCA-WDA is not "recognized" by the FCI either, for that matter.

I respect Ed and his opinion on the subject, but I think for myself and make my own decisions.

Katie