IMHO I dont think a six month old puppy should be getting a "Get him" command directed toward people but there are people here better able to answer that than me.

...I don't think a six-month-old puppy should be getting a 'get him' command directed at people...'

(Joe Pesci voice here): Ya think? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

This is about the craziest thing I've ever heard. Dobie King, you need to get with the program here... or some kind of program anyway. If you were serious about protection training this pup, right now you would be doing nothing but playing tug games with him.

I am not going to reinvent the wheel right here on this board. You need to go out to the main Leerburg website and read Ed Frawley's articles about the drives of protection training, nerve problems in dogs, etc. etc. etc. You have a LOT of reading to do. In the meantime--knock it off with teaching your dog to alert on people. That is COMPLETELY CRAZY and is going to land you in serious trouble before you can count to ten. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

I kid you not, brother...

Pete Felknor|Re: how old and how big is your Doberman|Pete Felknor|Pete Felknor|Wed Jun 19 11:27:00 2002|165.189.4.6|1|1|0|0
0099000021000022|0099000021000000|99|0|yes, does seem awfully young to be fully trained to 'attack' on command and then to 'release' as well. :rolleyes:

cmon Pete - tell him what you really think> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />|Re: how old and how big is your Doberman|DOBE|DOBE|Wed Jun 19 11:35:00 2002|192.250.112.134|1|1|1|0
0099000021000023|0099000021000000|99|1761|Thanks folks for confirming the obvious.
Pete
Joe Pesci couldn't have said it better.|Re: how old and how big is your Doberman|E. Robert Scott|Old earth dog Bob Scott|Wed Jun 19 11:46:00 2002|24.217.224.199|1|1|0|0
0099000021000024|0099000021000000|99|1761|King Dobe
In addition to using this disscussiou board and Ed's web site, I have a half dozen of Ed's tapes including the Flinks tapes available so far. With the board, web site, and tapes, I'm in heaven but pp training is real serious, and you need to find a good trainer in addition to all the help I know you can get here.|Re: how old and how big is your Doberman|E. Robert Scott|Old earth dog Bob Scott|Wed Jun 19 12:28:00 2002|24.217.224.199|1|1|0|0
0099000021000025|0099000021000000|99|1769|lol..lets cut the how holy thou are,,, crap..... i cant help that you guys go on an on and on about this, lets put aside this fearson animal..lol.lol. asided a second, he is amost 6 months and i have to just taught him how to protect, but to be obedient, lol..lol tuq games..lol... aaahh duhhhh, how do u think he was taught to protect..lol good one...do i need to open a new thread for there mentally challaged, here we go again, if not to difficult..how tall and how much does your (inperfect)weigh or ateast throw that much in when you bite, opps i mean right back <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />|Re: how old and how big is your Doberman|king dobie|king dobie|Wed Jun 19 13:26:00 2002|205.188.200.41|1|1|0|0
0099000021000026|0099000021000000|99|87|You think this is funny?

What's so funny?

There are places for clowning around--yes, even on this board at times.

But King Dobie, I probably speak for just about everyone here when I say that nobody gets your joke.

Pete Felknor|Re: how old and how big is your Doberman|Pete Felknor|Pete Felknor|Wed Jun 19 13:51:00 2002|165.189.4.6|1|1|0|0
0099000021000027|0099000021000000|99|301|king dobie,
Did you know that the average age that aggression problems manifest is between 18 months and 3 years? It's important to take your time training protection, because you really want your dog to have solid nerves and be stable in any situation. By teaching your PUPPY to be aggressive at such a young age, I think that you are making a huge mistake, and are setting yourself up for some real problems. What happens when your dog attacks someone and has to be put down? You will have let him down, and he will have paid for your mistake with his life. If you love your dog, listen to these people. They are trying to help keep you from making a humungous mistake.|Re: how old and how big is your Doberman|J Parker|Lisa Swanston|Wed Jun 19 14:02:00 2002|208.16.75.131|1|1|0|0
0099000021000028|0099000021000000|99|1423|KingDobe, I will ignore your previous post and illustrate a few things I have learned here as a newbie. Perhaps you'll get the picture too.
A) a good dog is not made in 6 months. It takes a lifetime of learning and training for you and the dog
B) a good dog may only be as good as his genetic material, BUT can be made better through PROPER training and socialization
C) a good dog can be screwed up very easily, BUT it can take a long time and sometimes never to fix problems that you created
D) a good dog trainer recognizes that every dog is an individual, even within a certain breed, what works for one may not work or be best for another
E) a good dog owner recognizes his limitations and knows when to admit he/she's wrong
F) a good dog and a good owner are sometimes hard to find

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Please......don't even talk about spelling and grammar!!! I am dying a little death every time I read one of his posts!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

P.S. Can Ed install a spell check program?????? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

King,

People like you give dobes a bad name. You have a fear biter waiting to happen and at 6 months your dog is not obedience trained, esp. it lights up at everyone. A moderator should close this thread.

Robert

King,
My dobie is 4 yrs old
he stands 27inches
and he weighs 86lbs
He is very lean, and very muscular because he is a true working dog.
He is a rescue dog and used all day during training.
I did not get him from a fancy breeder because he is a rescue dog hince his size.
Hope this answers your question.KOJAK

Unbelievable. We appear to have a novice here who believes he knows better than the pros. It isn't going to be at all funny when he has a lawsuit on his hands because his "protective" young dog laid into someone.

Hopefully, this thread will at least be beneficial to some other newbie out there who doesn't know much about stuff like this. It seems to be going right in one ear and out the other with king dobie, though. If he really thinks it's cute and funny to teach his puppy to go after people, maybe he should give the dog to someone who knows how to train them and get himself a goldfish.

VanCamp, where are you? No comments on this particular subject now that king dobie has returned to make such comments as the ones above?

Melissa...

We've had novices that know more than the pros on this board before. Remember those cretins from the Dogmen who were getting into arguments with people like Kevin Sheldahl (and what really gave them away is that they didn't even know who they were talking to)? "No dog should be worked in prey" etc. etc. etc. "Dogs should work like wild wolves" etc. etc. etc. I guess they would almost be entertaining if they weren't so completely, totally ignorant.

Pete Felknor

Pete,

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that none of the novices know anything. I'm quite a novice myself. However, this guy thinks this is a big joke. He's playing with fire, and acting like all the people who are giving him advice are complete morons. He's creating a dangerous situation and laughing about it.

No, Melissa, not all of our novices are know-nothings. I'm still quite the novice too and I like to think that by now I have managed to learn SOMETHING (although there are days when I doubt it.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> )

I don't think the Dobie King is going to be laughing for long. He's going to get kicked off the board before he knows it, and next thing he knows he's going to be sitting in a jail cell somewhere with no dog at all--remembering the days when some well-meaning, experienced working dog trainers tried to get him on the right track.

Ha ha ha very funny, I know, Mr. King.

Pete Felknor