I AM coming BACK. I am reharvesting my interests. This computer will be supreme when i get done with her.

So until then, it'll be a few days. Trust me. I WILL be back to answer and cover/graze over the surfaces as to which I need to point out.

I'll be bock.... ,:-| <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Husband's retired male whines. Not a wimp <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Vocal, pushy and intense on the field. Troll grandson. Whines because he wants to work and do something. Maybe that is part of it as well

Needless to say, I am now working Drigon in tracking to keep him busy....

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Will your refusal to socialize him so that meeting people is a normal part of his day. And the fact you would rather correct a puppy using the e-collar for being SO excited with company coming over rather than do the easy thing and socialize...............

I think you probably are right to give up on this dog. He seems too energetic, intelligent, and starved for attention for any training methods in you use.

Will the breeder take him back so he can reach his potential? He sounds like a great dog for a person more experienced with this type of dog.

Ok, first of all, I’m back like I promised.

I had 5 pages of stuff written, but lucky for you, I had to break my computer down again to make it run like a friggen Porsche and in the processes certain things were erased. No biggie. I covered my end for the important things and that “report” wasn’t one of them.

Now that I am back, and my baby (the computer) is purring like a kitten, I am ready to get back to these boards again.

Now, I will make this as brief and as simple as possible as most don’t like to read long posts.

OK here we go.

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Will your refusal to socialize him so that meeting people is a normal part of his day.

Uh, miss? Since when did I say he’s not socialized or I keep him from being socialized? Sorry but I have NO idea what your talking about. So, the way I take your comment is

“ If your dog is wild, jumping on people, whining, barking, hollering when guests are over, then the way to solve it is to “reward” the bad behavior by letting it out when its misbehaving. I am sorry and I DISAGREE with your methods of solution.

My way is better. I haven’t used the E-collar yet but I still think letting him know what is appropriate. He doesn’t whine any other time so its not like he can’t control it due to being young. Depending on the situation, I ignore it or correct his wild antics and its working.

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And the fact you would rather correct a puppy using the e-collar for being SO excited with company coming over rather than do the easy thing and socialize...............

What do you own an English Bulldog? Do you KNOW how much of a nuisance a wirey malinois can be? Puppy or not, things should be taught to NOT get out of control. SO in your eyes, let it go until the dog is 2yrs old and jumping all over everyone, in their faces, and in their food, b/c “She feels that I need to let it get socialized”. HAhahaa. That’s the funniest thing I have ever heard. You must pay people to train your dog. Haha. Well, in my book, you behave in the house. Mind your manners and play with your toys. When outside then that is the appropriate place to go buck wild and do all the jumping around. And you know what? I am sticking to this. And you know what? He’s learning. It has nothing to do with socializing. It has something to do with a dog that lives in your house most of the time to go out to train, exercise, explore, etc. In the house, I don’t want things broken like you do. Sorry but no, not here. I am not playing the “ Let your dog socialize and jump over everyone”

Anyhow, next thing….

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I think you probably are right to give up on this dog. He seems too energetic, intelligent, and starved for attention for any training methods in you use.

Will the breeder take him back so he can reach his potential? He sounds like a great dog for a person more experienced with this type of dog.

Who ever said I was going to give him up? Where do you come up with this stuff? HAhahaha.

Too energentic? Me? Slow? How can I be? What do you think the D-1 (means you can’t get any more competitive in terms of college sports) football team do with a guy that can’t run or is lacking energy? Have you ever played an entire football game let alone on the college level? Let’s just say you have to have endurance, energy, strength, and at the same time figure out which plays would be best. Everyone out on the field has to be on the same page mentally? Its easier seen, said, etc, than done.

From what I am told by people I meet for the first time. Frankly, I do. Anyone who knows me KNOWS I am one overly active person. I am MORE than enough for him. I hate to say it but I am more apt than you want to give me credit for. I know your type. I am OVERLY qualified to handle this dog. I really don’t care what you think or believe. I was getting opinions andyou and the rest gave them. Some more helpful than “others” but nonetheless got what I wanted.
Trust me, I work his ass off EVERYDAY!!!. NO day goes by without working of some sort. Ball drives work, prey drive training, bite work, swimming laps (he’s young and its easy on his joints), obedience and so on. He gets WORKED. He comes back so tired you wouldn’t BELIEVE.

Intellegence? I know, that’s why I work his ass off. I don’t believe in ANY dog laying in my house. You go out and learn tasks and WORK. Exercise. I run miles a day. What makes him so special to sit lazy on a blanket. Sorry, he gets up and runs too which frankly, he wants to anyway. But the thing for him is he gets a twist of new tasks and things to deal with. You don’t even know. My pup can withstand gun shots, elevators, football crowds (30,000 people screaming and cheering), escalators, crazy bar idiots, etc and not cower or be afraid. He from my hard work has become a VERY confident dog. He is socialized all right. But in more ways than you know. I am RAISING an AWESOME dog here. Push the whining aside. I am doing more socializing than you think. I am not the new kid on the block with dogs let me tell you. Seriously, my dog will hit a sleeve so hard that for a young adolescent pup you’d be amazed.

About the breeder taking him back so a “more experienced” person can handle this type of dog. Yea, I brought him back a few times. At this point they want him back and are trying to buy him off me. He said “this little dog has nerves of steel and has drives through the roof. He’s really coming along. Hey, keep in contact, we may have a breeding project with some of the guys I know”

The police officers here know my dog and know he’s doing awesome. The one officer was surprised at what he’s become so far so soon. Hell, I spend 5hrs a day with him messing around to training.

Oh yea, but I forgot, he did it all on his own from not being socialized and in a shoe box his whole life from the time I got him at 6wks old.

So frankly, I don’t care about what you say I am NOT doing. Whining has NOTHING to do with NOT socializing in this case or theirs. Like a few people has explained here or another post in the board “their dog whines but he’ll still do his job working” So in other words, it isn’t festered by lack of socialization. Behaving is also a MUST in controlling such a driven dog. What good is a dog that does excellent obedience work if you can’t let him out in your house with guests and jumping all over everybody. Sorry, I don’t agree with that. Sorry, it doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense to me.

How did you aquire, then train such a masterful dog who acutally "WANTS" to protect you?

Basically, what is your secret recipie?
Tell me Rambeau.

Michael,
I'm going to be up front here and tell you that I don't appreciate the "tell me Rambeau" remark.
Notice we all call each other by our first names here? Or by titles.
Go disrespect someone else. You'll never get a reply from me on any thread after that crack. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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Basically, what is your secret recipie?

Well join a police department become a k9 officer, < editted...because Chris is too talkative about me <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> > You probably would come out with a good understanding of what you really need in a dog because although there are some differences in PPD verses service dogs, service dogs still have the high priority of protecting their handler, that is PP to it's handler, and if you have a knowledge of dog training, you can probably put together a training program that will mold what you want. So, now just start your assessment process, try to go K9, and oh, yeah, make sure you have a good health care plan. Hope this helps

That wasn't a crack. I don't know why you would interpret it that way. I'm sorry you don't like to be called by the name you go by. I didn't know that.

It was not meant to be disrespectful in anyway. I can't understand why you would think that way? I'm sorry Will, I didn't mean anything negative.

Maybe you could explain to me why that was so disrespectful so I don't offend anyone else in the same way. For me personally, people can call me by the name I have listed, first name, last, whatever order makes them happy. Either way, it's my name, not ashamed of it.

Again, sorry you found offense in my using your last name.

P.S, Don't blame how you feel on me, you can ask you wife who is a psychiatrist, feels "just are" and they are your feelings, no person can "make" you feel a certain way, your feelings are your choice.

Michael,
Notice that *no one* uses just a last name here to speak to people - it's considered rude and disrespectful by most people. You use a first name or a title and their last name in talking to someone, that's just common courtesy - something you apparently lack. You may learn that manners are useful in life.
This is the last reply that I'll make to you, please drop the subject as I won't be replying to you in any threads due to your lack of manners. I'd just put you on ignore, but I can't as I'm a moderator.
End of discussion from my point.

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How did you aquire, then train such a masterful dog who acutally "WANTS" to protect you?

Basically, what is your secret recipie?
Tell me Rambeau.

OK, let me break this up as you asked a few questions.

For the first one." How did I aquire such a masterful dog?"

Ans: Well, before you buy a dog like this you must first do you rhomework. Just like a car you do no buy the first one you find. Next I don't give a hoot about what the dog looks like either. I don't care if its dark, light, mhogany, etc. How is he bred and how is this pup acting.

Period. Next, find a reputable breeder, quesiton them and they should be more than willing to help you since they have more knowledge and experience than yourself. But you should not be learning things first hand. You should have read so many articles and talked to so many people that you have a very good idea as to what to expect. Before I got him my long distance phone bill was $475 for the month. THat was just talking to dog people. I learned a great deal and it inspired me.

Next question. You say " How did I train such a masterful dog?"

Ans: I am by no means a professional. But this does not mean that you do not allow room for error. everyone makes mistakes and you learn from them. You speak to people who are experienced and LEARN things before things go wrong. That way everything goes smoothly. You want everytihgn to go as smoothly as possible. Why make things difficult b/c you don't want to learn. I get outside help, by means of phone calls or bringing my dog up to the breeder, or bringing my dog to a guy who has raised them, by going and at random recognize the K9 officer at the gas station etc and going to see how things are coming. I give commands, and they let me know where I could improve. Its not all ME and MY skills. Its a combination of MY TIME and OTHERS letting me know what to do. ASnd for this I am very thankful.

Next, NO PEROSN is going to train in EXACTLY the same manner. There are several reasons for this. We as humans are creatures of habit. What works for us, tends to cause us to repeat the same actions. No one is the same so there is no way I can tell you what I did and have you duplicate it with your dog, if you have one.

Lets not forget the other side. The dog. NO DOG is the same. So each one will have its faults, its strengths. Some will excell at certain tasks, others won't. Its that simple. You can't do the "one trick fixes all" plan. It simply won't work. You look at the dog, work it, and then go from there.

Do you understand man? DO you see where I am coming from?

Last question. " .....that actually WANTS to protect you"

Ans: That comes down to YOU and the DOG. What kind of relationship do you have with your dog? What do you dso to stregthen that bond? What kind of training and time do you spend with that dog? How in tune are you with YOUR dog and he with YOU? My dog and myself are tight. He'll listen to me and doesn't really pay attention to anyone else. I had him out in a field and other poeple were walking around with their dogs and letting them run. Well, he's running around and such. He ALWAYS checks back in after say 5min. He'll run by check to see if I need him then go back out and run the field with the other dogs. When he comes back, people always want to pet him. I tell them "yea, if you can get him to come to you" So they do all sorts of things. Calling his name, kissing noises, baby talk, squating down to the dogs eye level, he'll run right by them. But I call him, put him in a sit, then tell him "ok" then he'll allow himself to be pet and whatnot. He doesn't listen to them. Good. I don't want him to.

But he's social enough to enjoy being pet by them once told its fine. Now on the other hand, go to the SUV and try to open the door handle. Then he's not going to be Mr. Happy. He's not playing anymore. Will he become more intense as he ages, without a doubt. But now he's doing real good in my eyes. For now I need to stiffen up the obedience and he has to be a little faster.

I do things my way. For example, I don't want him to do the Shutzhund heel. After retrieving or doing something, they come up and face you, then go to the side. Skip that. I want the military style version. He does it then comes back facing out and sitting against your leg. THis is what I mean by my way. There are certain things I want him to do. There is no right or wrong in how things are done. Its up to you. But there is a generalized projection as to how your dog should behave etc. Which I still follow. Sit, down, stay, etc are essencial. It could save his and/or your lives. Besides, I can't stand a dog that won't listen and is just stupid and wild.

Any other questions or does this about sum it up?

Here's my boy on the sleeve trying to be intense. He tries his hardest to please me and at the same time is having a blast at all the new things he gets to do...

Sorry, had to edit the picture out - board rules.

Will Rambeau
Moderator

Aaron, Well said....but we can't have pictures in any thread except for the introduction threads, sorry. Nice pic, though! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Will Rambeau
Moderator