Well he poops and pee's outside.
I guess the only thing that concerns me is pooping in his crate ONLY when we are gone. I really think its seperation anxiety.
When I'm home he's fine. No barking no accidents. Just when I am gone. Sometimes we can be gone for 10min and he will poop.

I am just hoping crating him up all the time will help his seperation issues.

And yes i've tried to take every single advice possible:
he has a toy when we are gone
don't pay any attention to barking or whining and we dont let him out if he is doing that
crate him at all times but at eating time and supervised play only
put him in a traffic area

I guess my other question would be: if he does this still after 1 month is that normal or time to worry? I have read that seperation anxiety sometmes never goes away in dogs?

Is the Crate Small Enough?

Are you Feeding him in his crate?

*** Why I suggested moving him away from the other dog? Is the other dog in anyway antagonizing him? ****

It's a small crate not much room but just to lay in.
No I do not feed him in his crate. I couldn't even fit his tray in there. Will that help? Should I put his tray right in front of his kennel with him in it so he has to stay in there and eat from there? Then do I let him out after he's done eating to get some out of kennel time? Or do I wait until after he's pooped? basically kennel him up for a few min after he's done eating. Then let take him out to poop and once he does let him stay out for a few min? or is feeding in their crate only effective if it's IN their crate? Would doing it right outside his door not be effective?

No the other dog is completely quiet. you dont hear a sound from him. But he does like to play with him quite a bit. Maybe with him right there he wants to play? But the other dog completely ignores him when they are kenneled up. I'd rather not move them cuz I like where they are at but will if you think it will truly help?
Also I dont want to keep changing things for him and confusing him more?

Lovella, you sound way too nervous and anxious about this pooping in the crate and barking thing. Slow down. You keep asking how long this will go on - no one knows that. It is all dependant on you and how you relate to the puppy when you're with him in the house.

The yelling didn't help, it made things worse. You have an anxious and possibly fearful puppy now. You need to backtrack to step 1, take the advice given you in Ed's article as well as some above, calm down with him (extremely important!!!) and stop worrying about how long it will take. It will take as long as it takes. You need to do the crate training and the potty training day by day and not worry about how it will be 1 month from now.

Your puppy needs a calm, cool, collected leader. Without your knowing it, you're giving anxious signals to your puppy whenever you leave the room or the house because you anticipate his pooping or barking. Condition him to your leaving the room by giving him a treat when you get back but ONLY when he's quiet (go back to the room when he's quiet and treat and praise him). Read again the paragraph in the article Ed Frawley wrote on http://www.leerburg.com/housebrk.htm that starts with "Start crate training while you remain in the same room....".

There's nothing like stress on a puppy/dog to make him poop. Get rid of the stress by doing the above.

Remember that just cause the pup poops when you take him outside doesn't mean he's done. Play a little, exercise a little with him to get those bowels moving and make sure he doesn't have to go again before you bring him in.

Slow way down and try not to be anxious about any of it (if I can sense it, your puppy can sense it more). It will all work out in time.

Ditto to what Sandy said.

For the first Five Weeks that we had our pup he peed in his CRATE EVERY Night and Laid In It. He would do this during the daytime, too. If he was confined in the kitchen with me, he would just pee where he stood with no warning. Let me assure you that I wondered if he would EVER get it. But he did.

Also, my vet had suggested that since his shortest time between incidents was (30) minutes that I should set an alarm and bring him out every (30) minutes - day and night. I declined for my own reasons. But when the pup got "sick" with Diahreah, and he HAD to go outside EVERY (30) minutes for HIS reasons. His peeing when outside right along with it. No more accidents in the kitchen or the crate. No more bathing once or more per day.

After this going on for almost (3) weeks, BINGO the pup was "potty trained". In hindsight, if this hadn't happened, he'd probably still be peeing in his crate and laying in it. Who knows. But my point is you have to keep trying and listening. I didn't listen to my vet (hadn't quite found this board yet), but if I had, perhaps he would have been trained sooner, as she gave this advise at (9) weeks.

And if what you're doing is not working, then you have to try some other things. Keep doing your research and get creative. Remember, INSANITY is doing the same things and expecting different results.

Good Luck!

gosh you guys are right! I think I've become obsessive about the subject. Okay I will definately not yell at the poop and just clean it up and move on.
I hate crating him up so much but I know it's for his own good.

So should I feed him right outside of his crate?
These two weeks I've been trying to only be gone for short periods of time so that I'm out and in at the house. Hopefully that helps.

I would feed him in the crate.