Re: Dogo Argentino
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#356662 - 03/09/2012 07:27 PM |
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Often, dog aggression and people aggression go hand in hand. I would say in many dogs you have dog aggression and absoulutely NO people aggression, but the opposite isn't often true.
That is, people aggression (by a dog) usually goes hand in hand with dog aggression. From what I've seen. So it might be tough to find one without the other.
If you are somehow skijoring in Georgia and ever get into racing your dog must be OK with people passing with other dogs, people 'handling' your dog for you at the start, and crowds of barking dogs, shouting people, etc. It's a tough atmosphere for a dog that might be constantly 'on guard'. In fact, it might be overwhelming.
If you decide on skijoring, or bikejoring and can pass on the springpole, and are serious about pulling sports and don't want a malinois for whatever reason, I'd go with a german shorthair pointer, given your location and the heat down there. These dogs will pull their hearts out for you, are biddable and friendly, and don't have much aggression toward anything. A shorthair pointer/husky mix would be ideal if you want a dog that will generally be a bit less sensitive but still be a serious puller.
If you want athelticism and biddability a pointer is like a catahoula without the independence that catahoulas need to hunt hugs. That's my input. What ever it might be worth.
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Re: Dogo Argentino
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#356664 - 03/09/2012 08:04 PM |
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Often, dog aggression and people aggression go hand in hand. I would say in many dogs you have dog aggression and absoulutely NO people aggression, but the opposite isn't often true.
That is, people aggression (by a dog) usually goes hand in hand with dog aggression. From what I've seen. So it might be tough to find one without the other.
If you are somehow skijoring in Georgia and ever get into racing your dog must be OK with people passing with other dogs, people 'handling' your dog for you at the start, and crowds of barking dogs, shouting people, etc. It's a tough atmosphere for a dog that might be constantly 'on guard'. In fact, it might be overwhelming.
If you decide on skijoring, or bikejoring and can pass on the springpole, and are serious about pulling sports and don't want a malinois for whatever reason, I'd go with a german shorthair pointer, given your location and the heat down there. These dogs will pull their hearts out for you, are biddable and friendly, and don't have much aggression toward anything. A shorthair pointer/husky mix would be ideal if you want a dog that will generally be a bit less sensitive but still be a serious puller.
If you want athelticism and biddability a pointer is like a catahoula without the independence that catahoulas need to hunt hugs. That's my input. What ever it might be worth.
Actually no Skijoring in Georgia, but I will move up North about 2 years after I get my Dog. So none of it until then, just Bikejoring. I doubt I will ever compete but If I do, again I know I need a dog that is not going to kill all the other ones. Even If I passed on the Springpole the GSP still wouldn't have a large enough head. I like my dogs heads to be large like a GSD, Rott, or APBT. Well there are no Catahoula Breeders who have dogs my size so nevermind, I am so picky Lol. I think the Dogo will be a great balance of everything I want, plus I will feel pretty darn safe if some wild animal comes after us in the woods! Can't wait to get a reply form those working breeders, if they reply at all!
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Re: Dogo Argentino
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#356665 - 03/09/2012 08:29 PM |
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If I'm looking to participate in a certain venue or sport I would go to those competitions or training clubs and see what breeds compete best. It can also be an invaluable source of breeder recommendations.
http://offa.org/ will also give you the scores of dogs that have passed OFA's. While some breeders may chose not to have negative results posted publically I have never heard of one that will not have positive ones posted.
Your best chance of avoiding HD in your new dog is choosing a breeder that breeds with a strong knowledge of their breed and their lines. And to choose a breeder that tests for it and would not think of breeding untested hips.
And as mentioned temperament or nerve is of the utmost importance. If I had to choose between good nerves or good hips, nerve would win hands down. With good nerve most all is still possible, bad nerve is very limiting both to the owner and to the dog. Even with tested breeding stock genetics can still throw you a curve ball, why take on the increased chances that comes with untested.
You have two years! Get out there and really get to see the breed in action. Find dogs you like and ask the owners where they got the dogs from.
I'm not familiar with your breed of choice but a quick google search shows that there may be a lot of health problems..... Makes it even more important to choose your breeder carefully.
Good luck with your search!
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Re: Dogo Argentino
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#356667 - 03/09/2012 08:47 PM |
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Caitlin,
It's good that you are thinking about these issues in advance. Just like others have said, GO CHECK these dogs out (a lot of them) before you get a pup! Take your lab with you he will tell you what your getting in to.
I've got a working line (really a hunting line) intact Rhodesian Ridgeback, who is 20 months old, and it was a shock to me and my family bringing home this 7 week old alligator! And I do mean alligator. I grew up with a hyper lab and jack russell, so I thought I was ready.
I WAS WRONG!
A hunting line dog is not like your Lab AT ALL! If you are not planning on hunting this dog than expect to put in at least 20-40 hours a week in training for at least the first 2 years, I am not kidding, this is going to be a second job just to make a working line dog solid in OB to take 'out' in public.
With big dogs it will always be YOUR FAULT if anything ever happens. Remember this.
Even with this work he is borderline when it comes to taking him out in public places, He is NOT a candidate for therapy dog or Obedience. Now I would trust this dog with my life if I was out in the wild where things could eat me, but really he is a lot of dog for suburbia(Kind of like having a Ferrari to get milk and eggs at the store).
He is a stubborn hound who has the energy of a border collie, the intelligence of a GSD, and the speed of a Greyhound (similar to a Curs). When I don't do at least 3 short(3 miles is short) walks a week on/off leash he is 'difficult' to live with.
An example:
Last night we had beginning agility class (our 3rd class) lots of soft little dogs will little to no training, kind of like a dog park with leashes. It was hard to get him to focus on the task at hand and ignore everything (and every smell) going on in there. This time Hank was actually 'workable' but only after we went on a 3.5 mile bike ride (in 15 minutes!) right before class.
Moral of the story be prepared, and go in with your eyes open. The people here on Leerburg are a great resource for working dogs, but its not going to be easy with any powerful working/hunting dog.
I hope you find what your looking for in a dogo.
Haha your RR is very handsome! I never knew there were any Hunting lines anymore just Show lines and maybe some Lure Coursing. 99 percent of these breeders are overseas, in like Russia. I doubt I can afford a plane ticket for both me, one of my parents to accompany me or a good friend (not getting lost in another country alone), and Gunner. That will be a hudge amount of money, and an even bigger loss if the dogs are not for me. The breeder in Russia, Iz Lunnoy Stai, is a very good breeder. I have no problem trusting her if I could not get a plane ride over there.
I am going to do as much research as I can to find the best Dogo out there for me.
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Re: Dogo Argentino
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#356669 - 03/09/2012 09:18 PM |
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Thanks, he is a good lookin dog a big muscle bound tootsie pop (hard and brittle on the outside, soft sweet gooey center).
You might check in Argentina, you might have better luck finding a mellow working class dog than all the way in Russia. What I found is that when you look for a working line dog that has been 'akc'ed' you need to look for a breeder that breeds for temperament not for looks.
I'm pretty proud of the work I've done with Hank, Even my 5yr old (now 6) can walk him (with me behind on the e collar of course and a slow day in the neighborhood)
http://youtu.be/fK9htxMgiKI
I got Hank from a breeder here in Texas
http://www.pawpatchridges.com
I've spoken with a breeder in your neck of the woods who still works his ridgebacks (hogs, retrieving upland birds, and the dogs live at home)
http://waarheidridgebacks.com/waarheid.htm
Check the videos out they are pretty fun.
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Re: Dogo Argentino
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#356671 - 03/09/2012 09:28 PM |
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Interesting thread! I just wanted to add that 2 years before getting my Aussie, I thought I wanted several breeds. After meeting many dogs during the decision process, I realized none of them were for me. The temperament of the breed wasn't what I was prepared for, the health issues exceeded what I would be comfortable providing for if my dog were to end up having the common problems associated with their breed (cost of a buying a dog is just the tip of the iceburg when you have health issues to consider) and none of my chosen breeds were for me. Aussies didn't even cross my mind though I had met several I liked. I wanted a huge dog with a big head and a short coat. I ended up with a petite headed long coated 45lb dog. Aussies ended up being perfect for us after the lighbulb went off and I don't think I'll ever live a day without one.
My point is don't discount a breed because of head size, color etc. You may be discounting the perfect breed for you without even realizing it. As others have said work with a ton of dogs in the next year and a half. I'd suggest working with many breeds as well and keep notes on which characteristics you like about each breed and which breeders' dogs have been the closest to your ideal TEMPERAMENT. The rest, such as breed, gender, color etc is really secondary and it will come. I like that you are picky, but sometimes there are more important things to be picky about
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Re: Dogo Argentino
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Thanks, he is a good lookin dog a big muscle bound tootsie pop (hard and brittle on the outside, soft sweet gooey center).
You might check in Argentina, you might have better luck finding a mellow working class dog than all the way in Russia. What I found is that when you look for a working line dog that has been 'akc'ed' you need to look for a breeder that breeds for temperament not for looks.
I'm pretty proud of the work I've done with Hank, Even my 5yr old (now 6) can walk him (with me behind on the e collar of course and a slow day in the neighborhood)
http://youtu.be/fK9htxMgiKI
I got Hank from a breeder here in Texas
http://www.pawpatchridges.com
I've spoken with a breeder in your neck of the woods who still works his ridgebacks (hogs, retrieving upland birds, and the dogs live at home)
http://waarheidridgebacks.com/waarheid.htm
Check the videos out they are pretty fun.
Is your RR breeding quality or what they call pet quality? I am very impressed that your daughter can walk him, my sister can walk Gunner too but he is just an old Lab Lol. I watched your videos of his tricks that he has learned and your dog is too funny. He reminds me of my dog and how he ges impatient with training after a few minutes and starts to not listen when he gets bored. But he has already learned all of his "tricks". I saw your Vibrams too, are you a Minimalist? This week I'm going to get my Inov-8 Baregrip 200s for hiking and a pair of Zem Gear 360's or SockWA G2's for wearing around town. There are two RR breeders in GA I am considering visiting. My dad tells me he likes RR a lot better than Dogo's but he never walked a dog in his life so he would HATE one once he found out the exercise they need Lol! I think he just hates any breed that looks like a Pitbull and loves any breed that looks like a Labrador.
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Re: Dogo Argentino
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#356676 - 03/09/2012 10:11 PM |
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Interesting thread! I just wanted to add that 2 years before getting my Aussie, I thought I wanted several breeds. After meeting many dogs during the decision process, I realized none of them were for me. The temperament of the breed wasn't what I was prepared for, the health issues exceeded what I would be comfortable providing for if my dog were to end up having the common problems associated with their breed (cost of a buying a dog is just the tip of the iceburg when you have health issues to consider) and none of my chosen breeds were for me. Aussies didn't even cross my mind though I had met several I liked. I wanted a huge dog with a big head and a short coat. I ended up with a petite headed long coated 45lb dog. Aussies ended up being perfect for us after the lighbulb went off and I don't think I'll ever live a day without one.
My point is don't discount a breed because of head size, color etc. You may be discounting the perfect breed for you without even realizing it. As others have said work with a ton of dogs in the next year and a half. I'd suggest working with many breeds as well and keep notes on which characteristics you like about each breed and which breeders' dogs have been the closest to your ideal TEMPERAMENT. The rest, such as breed, gender, color etc is really secondary and it will come. I like that you are picky, but sometimes there are more important things to be picky about
Sounds like a great story . I have met a couple breeds so far: Rottweiler (great dog), Doberman (great dog), Australian Shepherd (great dog), Siberian Husky (great dog), Rhodesian Ridgeback (great dog), Pitbull (great dog), and a Samoyed (great dog but TOO MUCH HAIR LOL). I liked the Rottweiler the very best Looks AND temperment wise. Though I have to say the Aussie was very intelligent. I plan on visiting breeders and owners in GA to see what I like. What breeds were you looking at anyways before you decided the AS was right for you?
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Re: Dogo Argentino
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#356677 - 03/09/2012 10:27 PM |
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Caitlin , I'd say he's butthead quality! I couldn't 'show' him, he's too 'lopsided' One foot is 'bigger' than the other with some weird toe action (like his dad). I know his breeder has had some of his pups shown but I really didn't care. I was more interested in genetic variety, a lot of his lineage is from South Africa which I see as a good thing.
Contact Waarheid I think he's in GA or North Florida.
Yeah I wear gorilla shoes, much to the chagrin of my family.
I'm off to bed will look over the rest tomorrow.
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Re: Dogo Argentino
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#356679 - 03/09/2012 10:36 PM |
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If I'm looking to participate in a certain venue or sport I would go to those competitions or training clubs and see what breeds compete best. It can also be an invaluable source of breeder recommendations.
http://offa.org/ will also give you the scores of dogs that have passed OFA's. While some breeders may chose not to have negative results posted publically I have never heard of one that will not have positive ones posted.
Your best chance of avoiding HD in your new dog is choosing a breeder that breeds with a strong knowledge of their breed and their lines. And to choose a breeder that tests for it and would not think of breeding untested hips.
And as mentioned temperament or nerve is of the utmost importance. If I had to choose between good nerves or good hips, nerve would win hands down. With good nerve most all is still possible, bad nerve is very limiting both to the owner and to the dog. Even with tested breeding stock genetics can still throw you a curve ball, why take on the increased chances that comes with untested.
You have two years! Get out there and really get to see the breed in action. Find dogs you like and ask the owners where they got the dogs from.
I'm not familiar with your breed of choice but a quick google search shows that there may be a lot of health problems..... Makes it even more important to choose your breeder carefully.
Good luck with your search!
Thanks i actually have a lot of nice people helping me out until I get my Dogo . I know the breeds that do the best in long distance activites are the GSP, Vizsla, Husky, Dalmation, and Weimaraners but I don't like any of those breeds. The best dogs for weight pulling and Spring Pole are APBT's. Rhodesian Ridgebacks are nice but I want to meet a breeder first, and they are hounds so that makes training that much more difficult. A good weight Dogo can do all the above and has my prefered temperment, still going to meet Dogo's, so they are the best dog for me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhOdn1X3Hqs&list=FLw7UQMWZG6WXH8exdI4nyCA&index=41&feature=plpp_video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq08iGoAjU0&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krs7_ixyoLA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JomDuSDPJk&feature=channel
I have looked at OFA also any not many OFA Excellent or Good that would still be breeding in 2014. The Dogo does not really have a lot of health issues. They are healthier than most breeds in fact. They suffer from Deafnes, sunburn from the thin white coat, and Allergies. All other diseases are rather rare. I don't even bother including Bloat and/or HD becasue ALL breeds suffer from it. Deafness can be checked for and Sunburn can be avoided. You can't really help it if your Dogo develops Allergies or HD.
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