Georgio, I have to point something out, as I scroll back and forth over the stretched text (because of the pictures).

Pictures are allowed in the "Member Bio" section and in the case of a dog who has died, as a memorial. Period.

You could have a small one as part of your signature, though. See Lisa Simms, above?

I am going to have to delete these photos. If you have links to them, maybe via Photobucket, I will be happy to paste in the links instead.

And back on topic.

Connie, Those ARE NOT recently acquired dogs. Further, they are not MY dogs. The person who owns them has successfully been a bully rescue for some thirty something years. these two dogs have and where greeting the new dogs FAR before my short half a year in this business. This women is either VERY lucky or very dog savy and I KNOW her as well as the dogs and I choose to think the latter. Does it air to the side of caution? NO. Does it work for her and her rescue. It sure has for the 7 years and thousands of dogs they help acclimate. So A. its not my choice, but B I cannot say I feel uncomfortable watching them do what they do. If a dog so much as urns its head quickly they both retreat in unison like its a ballet dance.

No problem, sorry, didnt know about the pics. I will use links from here on in. Thanks

You didn't just get the one that made it three?

How many of these dogs belong to you? Or will?

How long are these dogs going to be with you? And why?

I'm now lost.

Did you not post about a nighttime fight between the first two dogs?

"its not my choice, but B I cannot say I feel uncomfortable watching them do what they do. "

What is not your choice? How the dogs are managed in your home is not your choice?

I'm sorry. Obviously I skimmed some of the long posts and need to read them carefully.

http://leerburg.com/introducingdogs.htm

Scroll down a little bit to “THREE DOGS ARE A DOG PACK !!!” Also note the fact that the only time the new dogs are together is when one is outside the crate and the others inside theirs.

http://leerburg.com/301.htm

http://www.leerburg.com/groundwork.htm

HI, you know as I was reading through the posts, I was reminded of the different articles that mention the difficulty of trying to train/raise two dogs at the same time. Since it seems like you are back to scratch wiht these guys,I would suggest seperating them (completly, ideally that they had no more interaction or even seeing eachother and go back to day one work, working with them seperatly and extensivly and getting a bond and understanding between you before trying to work through issues with them both at the same time; hard enough with little dogs and probably impossible with these guys. Right now, as mentioned above, they are probably the center and sun of eathothers universe...I do have Pit experience and have had to do this a couple of times, until the dog had a bond and knew me well enough to respond to a look or body language (mine, not the other dogs) just some more opinion...

wow sorry about the horrific spelling, I get involved in these discussions and forget all else
Oh and I too have experienced that my GSD can handle any correction (though she never needs anything more than a "shame!") I once tried a no bark collar on her-didnt even look around or take notice, my pit was apolgetic for days after the level one correction

Thanks Mary. I dont count spelling when people are helping me. haha. The more support one idea gets, the better I like it. I think besides reassuring everyone that I am not reckless, the main 180 degree turn I WILL make right away is to stop following Ed's correction levels on Tom. I was hoping he would respond as he did when he bit me, but no. This time he is taking it WAY personal.

I want to address the person who said they wouldn't want Tom living next door to them. At this time, neighbor would I. So much so that I just DOUBLE fenced my home at 6ft at a huge expense to myself. I felt that it was what was only fair and responsible to my neighbors. Not only his demeanor, and lack of history, but also his look would make him a prime candidate to get himself shot around here. I live in a high end neighborhoods where most people work in a suit and tie on wall street. Nobody would tolerate this dog or even the others walking around at large.
Even visiting dogs here are required to be licensed if they are in the township for more then 72 hrs a month.
The Idea behind my work is to try and asses and aid these strays so that civilians will be able to adopt them and offer them a new life, and to so so safely and with good conscience.
The issues at hand now are hopefully based on the dogs lack of security. If need be I will have any dog I feel is dangerous to anyone, destroyed. I do not take that lightly, and I would only do so after exhausting every option and dollar I have. Also, I keep saying it, I am not comfortable making expert decisions while still being a learning novice. So I am not above sending a dog elsewhere, having a dog sent to a secluded rural area, anything I can do to help a dog will be done.

Last, Connie. These dogs that I house are crated and let out in pairs mostly. Some alone. They are worked and trained alone in 30 min shifts usually.

The dogs pictured WITH the new Rotti ARE NOT MINE. They do not stay here, nor are they the ones first mentioned as the two who fought that I now own.

They ARE the property of the owner of the main rescue who has hared me to take on this job. Also the same person who paid for my too rushed training education. With that said, dollars don't buy my opinion. Its that I have seen these two running around a NYC shelter and a huge rescue loose, since the day I began as a volunteer a year ago. They have always been there, always have been around all the dogs which are not rated aggressive (they are housed elsewhere) and so, no matter what it looks like, My bet would be that they are fine with the new dogs. Are the new dogs fine with them? Don't know.. But again, they are not with me, the Rottie was delivered with them tagging along, and he was housed with them for a night as well from what I understand.
Now that he is here, the Rotti is alone and doing his best to leap over my new fence. He is quite scared and does not want to be touched so far. I will wait him out until he wants to meet me. Until them, he gets to go out, back into the crate and thats it.

Which dogs were having the midnight fight?