I looked at Mastiffs of all kinds, Danes, English Bulldogs, Boxers (the main breed I thought I wanted) and some really great Pitties in rescue. Of all of them, the Pitties were the ones I liked the most as far as workability, sound temperament and health but I knew if I chose one of them I'd want to do absolutely everything perfect to help the breed and honestly, I didn't feel I had enough training experience to do it successfully. The Assie opportunity fel into my lap while visiting with my groomer and he has been very forgiving as I continue to learn along with him. He is enough high strung energy that I would feel comfortable "graduating" up to a higher drive dog, yet he's a good family pet. What have you thought of the Dogos you have met so far?

 Quote: Ken Easterling

Caitlin , I'd say he's butthead quality! I couldn't 'show' him, he's too 'lopsided' One foot is 'bigger' than the other with some weird toe action (like his dad). I know his breeder has had some of his pups shown but I really didn't care. I was more interested in genetic variety, a lot of his lineage is from South Africa which I see as a good thing.

Contact Waarheid I think he's in GA or North Florida.

Yeah I wear gorilla shoes, much to the chagrin of my family.

I'm off to bed will look over the rest tomorrow.

Really? I heard butthead RR's are the highest quality you can get! He may not be showing quality but he looks like it to me! Never heard of feet being two different sizes I bet that looks pretty goofy. I like Vibrams but i don't think I could walk around in public without getting some really weird looks, as if I already don't. I two RR breeders picked out even though I never spend more than 5 minutes once in a while on the breed.

http://www.hoozridgebacks.com/

http://www.rr-cubo.net/cubo/

 Quote: Amy VandeWeerd

I looked at Mastiffs of all kinds, Danes, English Bulldogs, Boxers (the main breed I thought I wanted) and some really great Pitties in rescue. Of all of them, the Pitties were the ones I liked the most as far as workability, sound temperament and health but I knew if I chose one of them I'd want to do absolutely everything perfect to help the breed and honestly, I didn't feel I had enough training experience to do it successfully. The Assie opportunity fell into my lap while visiting with my groomer and he has been very forgiving as I continue to learn along with him. He is enough high strung energy that I would feel comfortable "graduating" up to a higher drive dog, yet he's a good family pet. What have you thought of the Dogos you have met so far?

I have never met the Dogo before. Before I pay big bucks for a dog and commit for at least 10 years I will visit many owners and breeders. I am trying to find some Dogo people in GA or really close to it, so I can finally meet this dog. I have heard of good and bad of the breed. You kind of went from Large Lap dogs to a high strung agility dog Lol. I guess my two breeds are different too. A Lazy Lab to an Athletic Dogo.

One of the major problem that you'll run into looking at for a Dogo is that it's a "flavor of the month" dog, and that's going to attract a lot of shady ( or at the very least ignorant about the breed ) breeders.
The breed is not well known here in the U.S. and the experience level of breeders of this breed are *low*, most will have bred at the most a few litters and their real experience with the breed will be only a few years, at the most.

I lived in Georgia for 20ish years and all the gansta wannabes wanted these type of dogs, hence the area is saturated with bad breeders and bad dogs. The Presa Canario, the Boreboel, the one of any of the many "pit" based bulldog breeds, all of them had some fly-by-night breeder that knew zero about the breed ( except that is was wanted on the street ) cranking out litters of fear-biting bully breeds for some idiot to walk down the street on a chain.
Georgia is not the State to be looking for these types of dogs, if you want a good one.

Really, you can do better!

I've been a PPD vendor for *decades* and I've tested or trained almost any breed that you can think of - any of the mastiff based breeds are a 2nd rate choice if you need a true PPD.

They use alot of Dogo's in hunting wild boar in Texas. I'd contact some of those groups and find out where they got their dogs. You can get a good feel for what kind of dogs the breeders put out too.

My ultimate goal is to have a high drive male euro great dane to do ring sport with. The look of fear in the helpers eyes would be priceless. Not realistic but I can dream. Leo and I will have fun in the mean time.

Ben,
I saw some Great Danes do SchH in the 1980's and the trainers told me that their downside was not their size but was in fact their short life spans - by the time that they were fully trained, they only had two to three years left........ouch.

 Quote: Will Rambeau

One of the major problem that you'll run into looking at for a Dogo is that it's a "flavor of the month" dog, and that's going to attract a lot of shady ( or at the very least ignorant about the breed ) breeders.
The breed is not well known here in the U.S. and the experience level of breeders of this breed are *low*, most will have bred at the most a few litters and their real experience with the breed will be only a few years, at the most.

I lived in Georgia for 20ish years and all the gansta wannabes wanted these type of dogs, hence the area is saturated with bad breeders and bad dogs. The Presa Canario, the Boreboel, the one of any of the many "pit" based bulldog breeds, all of them had some fly-by-night breeder that knew zero about the breed ( except that is was wanted on the street ) cranking out litters of fear-biting bully breeds for some idiot to walk down the street on a chain.
Georgia is not the State to be looking for these types of dogs, if you want a good one.

Really, you can do better!

I've been a PPD vendor for *decades* and I've tested or trained almost any breed that you can think of - any of the mastiff based breeds are a 2nd rate choice if you need a true PPD.

Actually there are alot of good breeders in the USA, Working and show. Deboniar Dogos are not very good, I always hear complaints from people and they pop out a ton of litters. There are not any Dogo breeders in GA, bad or good that I know of. I have yet to see any "gangster" Dogo breeders but maybe that's because I am avoiding the areas online where you would see their adds posted up. I don't search only by state, I will buy anywhere in the world if the Breeder has a good rep and I have a good feeling about them. He might be able to hunt once a year if I can find a group. As long as I can meet a couple Dogos and learn about their lines and interact with them I will be good. Have you ever seen a dogo do protection? I know they are used as military dogs down there but I have seen a couple do it. That Dogo on Dogs 101 is personal protection trained.

Caitlin, I know your heart is set on a dogo, but Dogs 101 is not reality. Take everything with a grain of salt. They only seem to show the good sides of every breed and only those dogs that are really 'mellow' with no drive.

Just watch the segment on Malinois on Dogs 101 and then a do a youtube search for Malinois doing french ring and some other bite sports.

Take what Mr. Rambeau to heart, he's been around A LOT of dogs and breeds all over the world. If he says they are not sound for what you want to do, best to listen.

By the way how old are you if you don't mind me asking?

Ken

 Quote: Caitlin Beaumont

 Quote: Will Rambeau

One of the major problem that you'll run into looking at for a Dogo is that it's a "flavor of the month" dog, and that's going to attract a lot of shady ( or at the very least ignorant about the breed ) breeders.
The breed is not well known here in the U.S. and the experience level of breeders of this breed are *low*, most will have bred at the most a few litters and their real experience with the breed will be only a few years, at the most.

I lived in Georgia for 20ish years and all the gansta wannabes wanted these type of dogs, hence the area is saturated with bad breeders and bad dogs. The Presa Canario, the Boreboel, the one of any of the many "pit" based bulldog breeds, all of them had some fly-by-night breeder that knew zero about the breed ( except that is was wanted on the street ) cranking out litters of fear-biting bully breeds for some idiot to walk down the street on a chain.
Georgia is not the State to be looking for these types of dogs, if you want a good one.

Really, you can do better!

I've been a PPD vendor for *decades* and I've tested or trained almost any breed that you can think of - any of the mastiff based breeds are a 2nd rate choice if you need a true PPD.

Actually there are alot of good breeders in the USA, Working and show. Deboniar Dogos are not very good, I always hear complaints from people and they pop out a ton of litters. There are not any Dogo breeders in GA, bad or good that I know of. I have yet to see any "gangster" Dogo breeders but maybe that's because I am avoiding the areas online where you would see their adds posted up. I don't search only by state, I will buy anywhere in the world if the Breeder has a good rep and I have a good feeling about them. He might be able to hunt once a year if I can find a group. As long as I can meet a couple Dogos and learn about their lines and interact with them I will be good. Have you ever seen a dogo do protection? I know they are used as military dogs down there but I have seen a couple do it. That Dogo on Dogs 101 is personal protection trained.

Caitlin, I'm really glad, and I mean this in a totally non-confrontational way, that you have a couple of years to learn. "I have yet to see any "gangster" Dogo breeders" falls in with never having actually seen a Dogo in person. I'm glad you intend to spend a couple of years learning about a breed and actually meeting/seeing the dogs before even considering acquiring one.

This is sadly true: "The Presa Canario, the Boreboel, the one of any of the many "pit" based bulldog breeds, all of them had some fly-by-night breeder that knew zero about the breed," and a good thing to learn right away.

You are in for an interesting and very useful education.


"Have you ever seen a dogo do protection? "

Will, who is a very well-known PPD expert with many years' experience posted this:
".... any of the mastiff based breeds are a 2nd rate choice if you need a true PPD."

 Quote: Ken Easterling

Take what Mr. Rambeau to heart, he's been around A LOT of dogs and breeds all over the world. If he says they are not sound for what you want to do, best to listen.

By the way how old are you if you don't mind me asking?

I too would like to ask, if it's not too rude, how old you are? (No, you won't be jumped on it if you're a teenager. In fact, you'll probably get more detailed info with no preconceived assumptions about life experience.)

 Quote: Ken Easterling

Caitlin, I know your heart is set on a dogo, but Dogs 101 is not reality. Take everything with a grain of salt. They only seem to show the good sides of every breed and only those dogs that are really 'mellow' with no drive.

Just watch the segment on Malinois on Dogs 101 and then a do a youtube search for Malinois doing french ring and some other bite sports.

Take what Mr. Rambeau to heart, he's been around A LOT of dogs and breeds all over the world. If he says they are not sound for what you want to do, best to listen.

By the way how old are you if you don't mind me asking?

Ken

Yes Yes Yes I know all of this. But the Dogo on Dogs 101 was not mellow and neither was the breeder they showed:

Here is the Dogo Toro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGuYvC46M68


http://www.youtube.com/user/abndogoThe Dogo IS sound for what I want.

Breeder:
http://www.noresdogoargentino.com.ar/index.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwrAXNfcgns

The Dogo is perfectly sound for what I want to do. I never said I wanted to personal protection train it. Becaue of my age people assume I know nothing and can only handle little wimpy dogs. Then they start asking me about schooling and work and I already have this figured out. I am 17. Some people say they are proud me others say I don't need to worry about dogs at this age then some say I can't handle anything. It is beyond frustrating.