I disagree. If compulsion is physical force, then a correction does not need to involve compulsion to be a correction. A correction is anything that decreases the undesired behavior, while teaching the correct behavior. This can be as simple as tone of voice, or with young puppies, distraction or redirection. An aversive can be a loud noise. Punishment can be scolding.
I think L.Swanston makes an excellent point about a correction not necessarily being compulsion in so much as a physical directive. When we think of "correction" we tend to automatically think of a physical stimuli. I agree that not all "corrections" are a form of compulsion.
Main Entry: com·pul·sion
Pronunciation: k&m-'p&l-sh&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Late Latin; Middle French, from Late Latin compulsion-, compulsio, from Latin compellere to compel
Date: 15th century
1 a : an act of compelling : the state of being compelled b : a force that compels
2 : an irresistible impulse to perform an irrational act
I think this is the point that VanCamp was trying to drive home... at least it was the point that I was. We as trainers tend to equate the word compulsion to force, but they are not always one in the same...
Well, if we talk in terms of "forces" Inducive is still compulsion...
ie;
Dog will sit because the desire(force) to feed him self is greater than the desire(force) to forego that oppourtunity.
Inducing is in fact the "act of compelling"... be it food, or ball, or big dude in the bite suit on the other end of the field.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> That same last example can have some insistant dogs fall under the second definition above...
2 : an irresistible impulse to perform an irrational act
ie; when fido decides there should not be a 5th blind reguardless of the fact that his handler is directing him... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Hmmm....if you withhold something the dog wants isn't that a form of correction? If it's a correction, than it is to some degree compulsive. It causes the dog to change or alter a behavior to gain something it wants. It causes them to avoid, change, re-direct, etc in order to gain gratification. I think I'm on the same page w/ you on this one Van...
Heck..why don't we just give this up, throw some sharpened prongs on and turn the e-collars up to 5 and go have some fun...just kidding!!!!!!!!!!!
I think it's really quite simple. Compulsion, in dog training, is physical force. Pushing down on the rump, stepping on the lead to force a down, force fetching, etc. Witholding a reward may "compel" a dog to try again, to work harder for the payoff, but I wouldn't call that compulsion in the true sense. There is no physical force applied. When you motivate a dog with the promise of a reward, he is making a choice; he wants that goody, so he will work for it. He will offer different behaviors that he thinks might get him that reward. He is not being physically forced to do anything.
I think I got smarter today, reading all the posts on this topic, and I didn't have to be corrected for anything. !!Purely Positive!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Deanna
My wife loves the Anna Eleanor Roosevelt quote. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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