Thanks guys. I do know what a real sick pup looks like, and he's not sick. But, he's also my own, so obviously it's so much harder to be objective! So far he's had no real "watery" stools, so we'll see what the fecal says.

Ask Connie for the correct pumpkin amount, I'm thinking a big teaspoon, but can't tell how big he is.
I'd give him some more kibble tonite too. You tried food restriction, and it didn't help too much right? So, going down that path doesn't seem to be helping, and he's likely to to whine all night if he's hungry. I'd give him the amount of pumpkin Connie recommends, and a little more kibble, and a short walk and tell him nitey nite. Hopefully, he will rest and have a normal log in the am. I'm sure this messes up your housebreaking routine, but he sounds starved, which can make him worried, and THAT can give him a loose stool too.

He is 14.5 pounds, I just weighed him today. His health record for the flight said 9.9 pounds, so he's grown almost 50% in 8 or 9 days!

Connie, should I be giving the pumpkin once per day, or with each meal?

I think I might have to give him a bit of extra kibbles, as he is getting a bit frantic, and we need to get prepared for the back to work routine!

I was just thinking, on a different topic, but not worth a new thread, I can ask at work, but Betty, would you say that I could get a distemper/parvo booster 2 weeks after the first shot as opposed to 3? I would like to have his immunity built up asap, as he will be coming to work with me, and it's going to be tough to find "secure" places for him... though it can be done.

I give it with each meal. A pretty good table spoon of it.

Ask the fellow you work for. Do what they recommend.

This is how people decide that vaccines don't work, exposing the pup to virulent virus before his little body has a chance to make strong immunity. He doesn't make his own army to fight parvo etc. yet because he's got "soldiers' from his mother in his blood still doing the work, but they are dwindling fast at this age. He's maybe made a few "soldiers" of his own from his first vaccine, but no where near enough for a real exposure.
I would vaccinate him every 2 wks if he was mine and he was riding with me in the vet truck. I'd probably give him 3/4 of the dose in the bottle, and I'd use killed vaccine. I'd do that until he was 12 wks old, then I'd stretch it out to 3 wks. I would NOT take him into the kennel area under ANY circumstances. At this age, I'd keep him in my crate in the car. I would not put him on the floor in the clinic except in the vet's private office where the sick dogs don't go. He can sit on a steel table that you just wiped off with clorox, so you can show him off. Outside the clinic, I'd only walk him where the sun shines strong. At about 12 wks, I'd let him run around, but still not where the parvo dogs go.

If you are handling sick puppies, I'd take a shower before I handled my own puppy, and I'd change clothes. If they have shoe covers for surgery, wear those.
I fear parvovirus and am spastic about canine distemper.
I don't like to vaccinate pups every 2 wks, either, I think this is a path to vaccinosis. But I think you posted about parvo in the clinic a few weeks ago, that is a bad agent, hard to clear from the environment. If you are going to expose him, vaccine is your only shot.

 Quote: betty landercasp

Ask the fellow you work for. Do what they recommend.

This is how people decide that vaccines don't work, exposing the pup to virulent virus before his little body has a chance to make strong immunity. He doesn't make his own army to fight parvo etc. yet because he's got "soldiers' from his mother in his blood still doing the work, but they are dwindling fast at this age. He's maybe made a few "soldiers" of his own from his first vaccine, but no where near enough for a real exposure.
I would vaccinate him every 2 wks if he was mine and he was riding with me in the vet truck. I'd probably give him 3/4 of the dose in the bottle, and I'd use killed vaccine. I'd do that until he was 12 wks old, then I'd stretch it out to 3 wks. I would NOT take him into the kennel area under ANY circumstances. At this age, I'd keep him in my crate in the car. I would not put him on the floor in the clinic except in the vet's private office where the sick dogs don't go. He can sit on a steel table that you just wiped off with clorox, so you can show him off. Outside the clinic, I'd only walk him where the sun shines strong. At about 12 wks, I'd let him run around, but still not where the parvo dogs go.

If you are handling sick puppies, I'd take a shower before I handled my own puppy, and I'd change clothes. If they have shoe covers for surgery, wear those.
I fear parvovirus and am spastic about canine distemper.
I don't like to vaccinate pups every 2 wks, either, I think this is a path to vaccinosis. But I think you posted about parvo in the clinic a few weeks ago, that is a bad agent, hard to clear from the environment. If you are going to expose him, vaccine is your only shot.

We rarely get parvo cases in, maybe once every 2 months? when we do they are kept in isolation and it's bleached down afterward. I am bringing him in, in his own crate, and keeping it in the staff room for now, and when he gets bigger, his crate will go probably in a storage part of the healthy animal boarding area. I do wear scrubs at work and then normal clothes after. I had thought about keeping him in a crate in my truck, but it can go down to about 7 or 5 degrees Celsius, and I think that's a bit cold for a couple hours at a time? At least for now it is. I'm going to carry him on and off the premises, so there really won't be much exposure, but I was just wondering about the vaccine. I will see what they say. Thanks for your input though.

 Quote: betty landercasp

Ask the fellow you work for. Do what they recommend.

This is how people decide that vaccines don't work, exposing the pup to virulent virus before his little body has a chance to make strong immunity. He doesn't make his own army to fight parvo etc. yet because he's got "soldiers' from his mother in his blood still doing the work, but they are dwindling fast at this age. He's maybe made a few "soldiers" of his own from his first vaccine, but no where near enough for a real exposure.
I would vaccinate him every 2 wks if he was mine and he was riding with me in the vet truck. I'd probably give him 3/4 of the dose in the bottle, and I'd use killed vaccine. I'd do that until he was 12 wks old, then I'd stretch it out to 3 wks. I would NOT take him into the kennel area under ANY circumstances. At this age, I'd keep him in my crate in the car. I would not put him on the floor in the clinic except in the vet's private office where the sick dogs don't go. He can sit on a steel table that you just wiped off with clorox, so you can show him off. Outside the clinic, I'd only walk him where the sun shines strong. At about 12 wks, I'd let him run around, but still not where the parvo dogs go.

If you are handling sick puppies, I'd take a shower before I handled my own puppy, and I'd change clothes. If they have shoe covers for surgery, wear those.
I fear parvovirus and am spastic about canine distemper.
I don't like to vaccinate pups every 2 wks, either, I think this is a path to vaccinosis. But I think you posted about parvo in the clinic a few weeks ago, that is a bad agent, hard to clear from the environment. If you are going to expose him, vaccine is your only shot.

"This is how people decide that vaccines don't work, exposing the pup to virulent virus before his little body has a chance to make strong immunity. He doesn't make his own army to fight parvo etc. yet because he's got "soldiers' from his mother in his blood still doing the work, but they are dwindling fast at this age. He's maybe made a few "soldiers" of his own from his first vaccine, but no where near enough for a real exposure."


This is exactly what everything I've read in vet manuals would conclude. I too would sit down and have a serious talk, not a quick on-the-fly question, with the vet. This is a frightening age for any exposure, even if infrequent.

 Quote: Connie Sutherland

This is exactly what everything I've read in vet manuals would conclude. I too would sit down and have a serious talk, not a quick on-the-fly question, with the vet. This is a frightening age for any exposure, even if infrequent.

Thank you, both of you. I do plan on talking about it with his vet, who is very, very thorough. I also don't plan on personally handling any sick puppies myself until he is fully vaccinated. In fact, I will be working in front sometimes, and mostly in surgery others. I do recognize that he has little to no immunity, which is why I'm concerned about it.
If the weather were a bit nicer, I would crate him in the truck.

He had a gigantic, totally normal poop again this morning, so again, the day begins!

When I mentioned the probiotics, enzymes...I was speaking of use way in the future if & when you might decide to switch to raw...NOT for use now.

I have used Albon with a pup for a few days when first home & with runny stool, like Betty mentioned.

I think Acana has some grain & Orijin doesn't, is the only difference between them, but I could be wrong.

But I would just stay with what you have been doing & not change anything else for now. Do the fecals(& deworm accordingly as needed) & wait & see if things continue to improve or get worse before making any other changes.

I also would not give him any vaccinations until you are seeing good. His body will have been stressed enough & not a time to introduce anything else into like vaccines. But I would not put him on the floor or tables or scale etc in the vet office. I used to make them disinfect the scale & table, in front of me, before I would put my pups on it. I also would not let him pee or poop anywhere near the vet office dog walking areas. I would carry him far away for that.

 Quote: cj barrett

Hey Phaedra, not sure where you’re at (judging from your drive, sounds like you’re about 6 or 7 hours south of me), but I spoke with our new raw food lady about Honest Kitchen. She said she loves the stuff and had contacted the distributor but will not be able to have it shipped in at a reasonable cost, for the exact reasons mentioned - duty, taxes, exchange (today our dollar is actually higher though ). She said it’s not available anywhere in BC, even Vancouver, however one of her customers said they got it there, but never came back with the information.

She said she was looking into another one called something called Spurt, or Spark, or Shark or something. Sorry can’t remember the name, I really wanted Honest Kitchen. But I’ll ask again the next time I’m there. If it’s a decent dehydrated perhaps shipping within BC would be a little more cost efficient. I ended up ordering a box HK from Leerburg. As a matter of fact, it should be here today, I’ve got to get Bob to run to Post Office.

It was probably "Smack" a dehydrated food made in Manitoba:

Smack Pet Food

I live in Nanaimo, BC. I feed raw and Orijen - I soak the Orijen in a lot of water to make sure my dog gets enough moisture to make up for the dryness of the kibble - it also allows me to take up her water in the evening right after dinner and not feel like she isn't getting enough. I have not tried the Smack food yet.
As for prepackaged raw, around here I get Urban Carnivore patties - they are a whole carcass patty (bone,organs, everything, I think except hide) with a bunch of species choices.
(I've tried the lamb and the elk and I also feed some of their supplements) Their website is:

Carnivora .ca
and I see they have a retailer in Nelson!

Central Bark
536 Ward Street
Nelson, BC
250.505.5355

Good luck with your pup - I went through a similar situation which resolved itself with sweet potato, probiotics and patience.

Cheers,
Ci