Get down off your high horse Jeannie, I may not belong to APDT but that doesn't mean I should be talked down to.
YOU, are still on the stupid laser light. Go back and reread my initial post this morning. I did not call you lazy I simply gave my opinion on the use of lasers, but more specificly my post was that this thread is not about the use of them. Now get off the damn laser!
Jeez, I'm beginning to think they're as dangerous for people as they are for dogs!

So your stance for nuetering the op dog was because he voiced the thought he might want to breed the dog?

How is it he seems feel it had to do with handling an aggression issue?

Fact: I said I play with Sheena with a lazer light. Fact: You said it is one of the laziest ways to exercise your dog. Conclusion: You are calling ME lazy. Fact: My last response was because YOURS mentioned the light again! The only thing we agree is to let it go. It was YOU that started the sarcasm,I did not post to you FIRST, you did to ME so how is that my fault? I saw NOTHING about the lazer. That was all the "professional board". Also, where did I say anything to you about belonging to the APDT. Where? The last post about that was from someone else, again...another sarcastic remark that was in no way started by me. Please help me here?

To answer your last question, we did talk about neutering and aggression, but they were instructed to consult with their vet AND to research other opinions, I ENCOURAGED them to get other opinions. So how this got so "about me" is amazing! My concern was the fact that this dog could produce puppies and in no way are they ready for that. Nothing bad against them, just a total lack of education on this breed and a lack of control over this dog. A huge liability.

Yep, I opined that lasers are dangerous and a lazy way to interact with ones dog. If you want to take my opinion personally, shrug have it your own way. If the shoe fits......
How did this get to be so about you?
This got so about you because you decided to identify yourself as the trainer that gave the advice to the op on neutering, that's how.

All I'm trying to determine what was said by whom and the reasons for said advise.
So on the question of interest (aggression), you told him to go ask someone else?
Basicly washed your hands of the matter? That right?

 Quote: michael arghnian

just want to put this out their i never used an ecollar to shock my dog every time he saw a person and was agressive twords them i only used it one time trying to get my dog not to bark at strangers why he was in the car and was told this was not the way to use the collar and stoped using it that same day

Michael, We KNOW that comment was not accurate. The moment you were advised that the ecollar was not being used properly for that situation you stopped immediately.

Jeannie, I've treated you with respect until I thought something you said was beyond comprehension. The moment I was told otherwise - I immediately revised my post and apologized. The "I don't mind trashing accurate" may have been a silly thing to say, but IF something is completely insane or innappropriate, I'm not above discussing that or being "flip" about it.

Unfortunately MICHAEL - your original post is getting lost in all this other mess which in my opinion is getting old. I recommend either another post be started with your original question dealt with seriously or those who want to continue the "did so did not" banter start a thread for that purpose.

None of are helping Michael with and he does have a situation which deserves serious attention.

Mod note: See http://leerburg.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=295993&page=0#Post295993


Edited by Connie Sutherland (09/12/2010 12:06 PM)
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Good call Barbara.





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Edited by Connie Sutherland (09/12/2010 12:07 PM)
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 Quote: jeannie oakley

... There is not one dog I work with that is unaltered that I do not recommend spay or neutering unless they are breeding. This is due to the over population of domestic dogs and cats on the planet and the fact that it may help curb the aggression.

later:

 Quote: jeannie oakley

... we did talk about neutering and aggression, but they were instructed to consult with their vet ....

And I want to add one more time that a responsible site owner would not have a caption about using laser pointers as dog toys on her Paw it Forward site where she purports to be a behaviorist and trainer. If she was somehow unaware of the potential problem in the past, she would remove it when made aware rather than make comments like "I don't care."

So simple. So responsible. So ridiculous to become more and more flippant and sarcastic about.

JMO, of course.

The only title I have is "Board User" The harsh reality though Jeannie, thats equal to all your College of, member of, and I read this, blah,blah........Successful huh? Lol. I guess so. It looks like you get a pretty good rate for teaching a dog to sit.

 Quote: jeannie oakley

. For people with "titles" all you can come up with is the fact that my husky loves to chase a lazer....

Why No, Jeannie, there's so much more for us to point out from your website, let's take a look, shall we?

On your "About me" page from the Paw It Forward Dog training, LLC" website we see:
You're the "honors graduate of the Animal behavior College"....oh boy, where to start. A correspondence course dog training school that is the laughing stock of professional trainers everywhere. When I ran my business, if I received a resume with ABC listed on it, the resume went straight to the trash, and that's true for any serious dog training business. ABC is a joke, and exists simply to give wannabes a piece of paper to show customers that don't know any better.
Why didn't you attend one of the real schools, like the Tom Rose School for Dog trainers or Triple Crown?

Next....you're "certified" dog trainer. Really? Who awarded you that certification? The ABC crowd? If it wasn't Tom Rose or Triple Crown it mean *nothing*, it's just a sheet of paper to impress pet owners that don't know any better. Once again, any legitimate dog trainer is going to laugh themselves silly when you present your "certification".

Gathering worthless sheets of paper seems to be a theme for you. But let's look at the type of paper work that *does* mean something in the dog trainers world, you know, like OB titles.
On close examination of your page I see zero, that's no titles listed. Hmmmmmmm...... not even an AKC CD, the absolute entry level obedience title that virtually any beginner could get. You can't even achieve the most elementary obedience title yet you feel qualified to *teach* obedience? Good thing that your students don't know any better, I guess.

Hmmm, you're listed as a "Mentor" trainer, now we've hit the big time! When I was starting off in dog training, my mentor had 10 OTCHs and 20ish UD titles - that man walked the walk and we all knew that he knew exactly what he was doing. So the people that you mentor, I'm sure that they can see that you're just too busy to earn any titles, right? I'll bet they brag on you something fierce when they get together with their fellow dog trainers.....

So, more on your "about me" page. I see that you have "Accredited Business, Better Business Bureau" listed under "Education" - is the BBB teaching classes now? Or is your actual dog training education so little that you feel the need to pad it with something that isn't education in any way, shape, or form?

Oh, and I see that you have the SIT/STAY FETCH listed as "continuing education". Which is it a download e-book.
As a hint,in the world of real dog trainers, the pros attend seminars given by top name dog trainers, which Leerburg holds yearly ( you might want to look into those ).
We work our dogs in front of our peers and we all learn with hands on training, which I'm pretty sure has more value than just reading a book.

And your "Books read" listing....yes, I know that I'm sounding like a broken record, but my God, that's a scream.
See, that part of your resume would be the place where a professional dog trainer would list their titles and accomplishments, but not you, we get treated to "books read". Wow, just wow.

Just as an FYI, my kennel helpers throughout the years had far better resumes than you, and they all knew that they were years away from calling themselves "professional" dog trainers.


Jeannie, you're new here, and we see your type all the time. An amateur dog trainer that gives someone crappy advice ( and if you charged him money to do that, you ought to be ashamed of yourself ) and tries to defend their lack of knowledge and experience with snarky remarks.

Please, go take your make- believe "certification" and go play with the rank beginners, where you belong.

Ed has written that the only way someone gets banned from LB was to disseminate bad dog training advice.

Can someone ban this clown already? The drama may be good for Google AdSense but little else.

 Quote: Jeannie Oakley

You should be PURTY and PROUD of it. Thumbs Up Barbara, Thumbs up. Trash people, so professional. Please continue to trash....

Purty and proud no longer, you cut me to the quick. Definitely harshed me mellow.