I have a 4 yr. old lab shepherd mix and she loves to play fetch. I also have a 9 month old german shepherd and any time i play fetch with ellie(lab shepherd mix) daisy(german shepherd) will run with her and bite her neck and tail. It is kinda worrying me that she does this and i think it really bothers ellie. I do not know how to make daisy stop other then holding daisy on a leash, however when i do this then i feel bad that im leavinhg her out. Ive tried to play fetch with daisy while ellies on a leash but she will not play she'll just lay there... alll help is greatly appriceated thank you very much...

So, if the only thing you are trying to accomplish is to keep one from biting the other one, separate them. If you are trying to get the other one to play fetch, play with that one seperately. The second dog is always going to be dog oriented unless separated and bonded to you.

Jeff is right. The younger dog needs to bond to you and look to you for everything, not the older dog. The younger dog should be taken seperately to be trained or to play, then she can focus on you and will be much more responsive to you. The chasing and biting sounds like she is playing/establishing pack order and your other girl Ellie is being picked on. It's up to you to keep her from that, so keep the dogs completely separate for a long while. you can also go here: Ed's Answer to your question.& http://leerburg.com/2dogs.htm

now i'm curious as to how i bond with daisy. i take her hunting with me while i leave ellie at home. this is usually once every week or every other week. on tuesday me my wife and 2 kids went to the park so i decided to take the dogs where they could run and fetch. when my wife came over she stayed for awhile then when ellie was getting tired she took ellie to the playground with her and the kids.. i stayed and started to play with daisy, but as soon as i let go of the leash she ran to where my wife and ellie were at.. is this what you are talking about becoming DOGGY? if so how do i correct it? how long shoulld i take them out seperately? i leave them out in the house when we leave anywhere.. we work opposite shifts at work so were home with them most of the time. i stopped using my inside kennels because anytime they went in them they would smell awfull and so would my living room. even right after i would take them to the groomers. thanks for the help it's greatly appreciated..

Well, you can't really expect to bond with a dog by doing something every other week, or weekly. You need to have a daily routine with her. You should not leave Daisy out in the house when you aren't there. You should find out what toy or treat she goes nuts for, something she will not get bored with and start taking her through basic obedience. Make it really fun for her, and have 2-3 minute training sessions with something fun she likes in between like playing fetch or something. Basically make it fun and make this time something she really looks forward to every day.

As I mentioned before Daisy shouldn't be out in the house with Ellie, I'd crate her in a seperate room when I was gone. I would keep her completely seperate from Ellie until you have a strong bond with Daisy. If it were me, when I got home I would keep her favorite treats in my pocket so she can smell and let her follow me around for a while, periodically stopping and giving her a command like Down or Sit and then give her a treat. She will learn to focus on you. Obedience training will definately help you establish that bond because she will learn to respect you, and that's a major key. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

i'll give that a try i realize alot o fthis was probally brought on by we moved a month ago so for like 2 months there has not been alot of activity except packing moving and un packing.. do you have any recomendations for treats? ellie likes anything bur im not sure which ones work best for training. they both like the little bones.. daisy will almost daily follow me around allready not constantly but pretty steadily. anytime i put daisy in her crate t starts to smell. i dont understand this either it will smell even if i clean it out and bathe her.. daisy is trained to go to her crate we use the word "room" she also sits on command.
so what other obidence training do i do with her. im still learning with her so dont think im an idiot. i didnt think she would be this hard.. should have figured though both of her parents are police dogs and her dad was imported from germany other then thet i dont know much of her family or pedigree. shes not papered. i didnt get her for shows or anything of that sort. i know many people on here thnk down on gsd's as house pets but i have always loved them... thank you for the advice please keep it coming...

Leerburg Basic Obedience Directory


I use a couple different things for treats: cold cuts, raw beef or chicken hotdogs (cut up in little pieces of course). Someone on this site mentioned something about chicken livers microwaved with garlic(?) that would really get a dog's attention.

I assume you are using a plastic crate for Daisy? Get the wire cage kind, Ed reccomends some on his site, I just got one from Wal-Mart though. Also, what kind of smell does the crate have, because maybe Daisy is urinating in her crate? Do you have anything in the bottom of the crate like a blanket or towel? Take it out if there is, every dog I've had is happy to sleep on the cold tile in the bathroom, they don't need a blanket or rug in the crate. Fabric also retains odors. Try to find out the source of the smell, does the dog smell when she gets out of the crate? The wire cages smell less too because of more airflow.

Most definately go to <a href="www.leerburg.com" target="_blank">Ed's Website</a> and read through the training articles and the Q & A Section and get the Basic Obedience video because it shows you exactly what to do and how to do it.

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daisy is trained to go to her crate we use the word "room" she also sits on command.
so what other obidence training do i do with her.

You posted in your previous post that when you were at the park Daisy ran away from you and went to your wife and Ellie, she needs to learn come and stay. She isn't fully obedience trained yet there are 3 phases and your pup isn't really old enough yet to be completely trained, all of this is explained in the training article section.

Good Luck

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......what other obidence training do i do with her. im still learning with her so dont think im an idiot... thank you for the advice please keep it coming...

The video called Basic Obedience at
http://www.leerburg.com/vidolist.htm
is well worth the small price. It's almost two hours of exactly the instruction you want.

(I just bought two more! Sometimes all a training client needs is a couple of sessions and that video. In fact, if they really watched that video carefully, they wouldn't need me at all. So I don't give it to them ahead of time! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />


Obedience training (IMO) works best in short, frequent sessions, rather than long sessions which can get frustrating and boring to both of you. If you can fit in a few minutes twice a day (and you can!), you'll develop a stronger bond almost immediately, I believe.

Charlee Bears are good little training treats, but they do contain wheat and are out for a dog with any allergies or sensitivities. Little pieces of low-sodium hot dogs or of cooked chicken or the freeze-dried liver (in small quantities) you can buy, or one of my own favorites: Low-sodium turkey jerkey or salmon jerkey (for humans) in small pieces.......anyway, if you use the "search" function (top right on screen) you'll find many threads on training treats.

I don't understand the smell. Are you using a sheepskin mat on the floor of the crate?

Jeff's point about separating the dogs is, I think, really important, both because one dog is being harrassed and you, her pack leader, must protect her, and because you want your puppy to bond with you.

I believe that when you watch the video, you'll learn a lot more than how to train basic obedience. Also, have you listened to Ed Frawley's podcasts? They are short and crammed with quality info. There's pack leadership, Ed's philosophy of dog training, new dog - older dog, and more, just about all of which is pertinent to you (I believe) and easy to listen to in just a few minutes each. You could be listening to them and reading the articles at Leerburg.com while you wait for the DVD.
http://www.leerburg.com/ubbthreads/showf...rue#Post4170450

You came to the right place, I believe! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I should've added that you have received responses from people who are *far* more expert than I am. I can't claim training knowledge beyond basic obedience and pack leadership, and even that's not my full-time job. But it sounded as if that was the level of expertise you needed! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Leerburg Basic Obedience Directory ....
I use a couple different things for treats: cold cuts, raw beef or chicken hotdogs (cut up in little pieces of course). Someone on this site mentioned something about chicken livers microwaved with garlic(?) that would really get a dog's attention. .....

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