Fear aggression in a 5 month old pup
#102810 - 04/01/2006 02:55 PM |
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First I would like to welcome all knowledgeable members to PLEASE REPLY TO THIS!!!!:
I have a 5 month old female DDR shepherd who is going through some major fear issues. While I recognize that there aren't too many DDR fans on this site, I do know that there are many educated individuals who visit on a regular basis, so I am asking for honest input from all. And before it is asked, I have the "8wks to 8months" and Basic Obedience DVD's, the dog is crated when not directly supervised, is housebroken, eats all meals in crate, and is well into the learning phase of obedience.
The problems are with submissiveness and fear which have turned into aggression toward strange people and strange situations. The dog is well behaved in the home, and does well with my wife and I, as well as our child while supervised. She rides well in the car (crated). Problems arise whenever we introduce her into strange situations. This could be anything from a stranger walking by to entering an unfamiliar building. For example, when she was about 4 months old, when confronted by a stranger she would want to approach, but would retreat when she got within reach, would turn around and bark, go in again, back off, etc. The whole time with hackles raised. This has graduated to pretty much all out aggression with ears up, tail up, and hackles raised with growling and barking when confronted by strange situations. I should also mention that the dog urinates submissively (but not all the time) when visitors enter the home. Ignoring her in the crate for the first several minutes seems to help this.
I brought the dog through a puppy socialization class solely for the purpose of introduction to strange people and dogs, and she did seem to improve somewhat, but only in that class. All other situations pretty much send her into a tailspin.
While I realize that I am probably leaving out important details, this is the problem in a nutshell. I would really like to resolve the problem before it turns into a major issue (but honestly, it pretty much is a major issue now). Any advice, additional questions, stories, would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Fear aggression in a 5 month old pup
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#102811 - 04/01/2006 03:04 PM |
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I also should have added that the dog has not been introduced to a prong, as I thought it would only compound a fear based issue. But if I am wrong, please correct me and I will purchase one RIGHT NOW.
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Re: Fear aggression in a 5 month old pup
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#102812 - 04/01/2006 03:46 PM |
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There have been some really good "recent" threads on fearful dogs and fear aggression. The search function will help you find them. Ususally it boils down to the same elements which I have posted several times recently. This I have not posted before and is a good summary. It is based on a diagram, which I will try to explain.
Think of a cone with a red line dividing it into two parts. At the point of the cone is something that causes fear in the dog. The far side of the red line (fear threshold) is the physical area in which you can desensitize your dog to the fear-inducing stimulus or object. The side of the fear threshold closer to the point of the cone is the physical area in which you are flooding the dog. The fear threshold is continuously moving which can make it tricky for new trainers.
If the dog is behaving aggresively, that is flooding. The first thing to do is to make sure you don't cross the fear threshold (into flooding) unless you are prepared to deal with the dog.
I cannot tell you if a fearful 5 mo old puppy is handled differently than an adult dog, which the following is referring to.
I am quoting myself:
If a fearful dog is found to be aggressive, the dog must be handled with a slip or martingale control collar. These collars are made to clip around the dog’s neck, fit tightly and allow the trainer to close the dog’s airways to end aggression. This is done in a calm manner, not as aggression prevention – which is discussed later – but as a safe and effective training method. http://www.leerburg.com/746.htm
Non-aversive immersion is commonly called desensitization. Non aversive immersion occurs in an area in which the dog is exposed to the a stimulus or object, but is not exhibiting a fear reaction. This area is represented in green in figure 1. In non-aversive flooding, food play and praise are used in classical conditioning to teach the dog that the stimulus or object equals good things. As the fear threshold recedes – and the non-aversive immersion area – represented in green in figure 1 – moves closer to the fear-inducing stimulus or object, the dog becomes desnsitized to the stimulus or object. As this progresses, the aversive immersion area – represented in orange in figure 1 – gradually shrinks and becomes nonexistent. At this point, the dog may interact with the stimulus or object and will regard it as a normal and ordinary part of its surroundings.
A dog, Sugar, is fearful of storm and sewer drains. The trainer’s first step is to determine physically where Sugar’s fear threshold is. The trainer finds that the fear threshold lies 4 feet away from a storm drain. The trainer walks Sugar to the fear threshold, and reviews sit and watch commands, as the dog is comfortable in this place, the fear threshold recedes, or moves closer to the storm drain. Then the trainer steps to the new threshold and reviews the same commands. The trainer repeats this 4 times until Sugar is sitting directy on the storm drain. The trainer then rewards Sugar with a larger reward and more enthusiastic praise than was given for the obedience commands and releases Sugar into play or a brisk walk in circles.
This is the faster and most fair way to alleviate fear of a specific stimulus or object, however, it is very easy for trainers who are not experienced in reading a dog to cross the fear threshold. At the instant the fear threshold is crossed, the trainer has begun aversive immersion.
It is absolutely imperative that a trainer understand that he cannot allow the dog to cross back to the nonaversive side of the fear threshold until the dog is no longer displaying a fear reaction. If the trainer allows the dog to back away from the fear-inducing stimulus or object while the dog is displaying a fear reaction, it reinforces the fear reaction and makes training confusing, unpredictable an ineffective.
In the even that the handler crosses the fear threshold, represented as a red line in figure1, the dog will begin to show a fear reaction - which may include signs of hypervigilance, dramatically increased anxiety, passive or active resistance, vomitting, urination or defecation, releasing of anal glands. Aversive immersion, also called flooding, is a technique that directly exposes the dog to a fear-inducing stimulus or object. It is absolutely imperative that correction or active igoring be used in aversive immersion to prevent reinforcing the dog’s fear reaction which is based on the thoughts a) it's ok to run away and b) running away makes the "monsters" go away. The appropriate correction for a passive reaction is a series of prompts or pops on the leash. The appropriate correction for an active reaction is using the leash to firmly restrain the dog from bolting or backing away from the stimulus or object. Actively ignoring the dog works fr some dogs, but the trainer must have time and patience to stand still in that place until the dog’s frear reaction ends – sometimes a matter of hours. When the dog steps closer to the stimulus or object, it should be restrained from backing away. In this way, the dog is approaching the stimulus or object at its own pace, but in a controlled and safe manner.
A dog, Bree is fearful of storm drains. The trainer briskly leads Bree onto a storm drain and firmly restrains Bree until she relaxes. The trainer then gives Bree a sizable food reward and calls Bree off of the storm drain. The trainer then repeats this sequence until Bree does not hesitate to step onto the storm drain.
As you can see from this photo, aversive immersion is considerably stressful for a the dog. For this reason, aversive immersion should nt be the first training option chosen.
As usual, what I write is compiled from my own training experinces, observing others, studying credible training resources and reviewing scientific studies. If I am wrong, let me know so I can look into it and see if I need to reconsider and study further.
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Re: Fear aggression in a 5 month old pup
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#102813 - 04/01/2006 04:00 PM |
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I will translate my post to English. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I would have a neutral dog tethered or onleash securely.
To desensitize:
Walk your dog up to the neutral dog. BEFORE you corss the fear threshold/before your dog becomes aggressive, run backwards and call your dog to you. Repeat this many times in a playful and enthusiastic manner until the dog begins to look to the handler for direction when it sees the neutral dog.
Then comes flooding: (Your dog has learned the correct behavior, now it must learn that aggression is not ok)
With the dog on the dominant dog collar, walk it up to the neutral dog, this time crossing the fear threshold. When your dog displays aggression, correct it calmly, when the aggression ends, run backwards away from the neutral do and praise/treats/play. Repeat many, many times in several short sessions over a period of time.
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Re: Fear aggression in a 5 month old pup
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#102814 - 04/01/2006 04:15 PM |
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i agree; i think a prong is going to intensify, not reduce, the undesired reaction.
continue your socialization. take her to places where she can see, smell and hear people, dogs, whatever. the park when classes are going on, the pet store, the park near a dog run where dogs are running loose (i would not go in the dog run, just walk her near it). when she reacts, try these movements: telescoping, paralleling, and arcing.
telescoping: move toward the issue(dog, person); when you reach the point where dog is becoming aggressive, pop the leash, give you non-aggression command, and move back. keep moving back until the aggressive response subsides. praise for non-aggression and move back toward issue. when dog begins to aggress, repeat moving back. by telescoping toward and then away you will give your dog a chance to neutralize, or de-sensitize, to the issue. the point where she begins to aggress is called the threshhold of avoidance. what you are trying to do is increase her threshhold.
paralleling: move back and forth with your pup in front of the issue. stay far enough away as to not elicit aggression. slowly zig-zag your parallel movement to get slightly closer each time. if your dog becomes aggressive, zig-zag away from issue until she is not aggressive, and then start the zig-zag back in. again, these movements give your pup a chance to de-sensitize to the issue, which will increase her ability to be non-aggressive.
arcing: this is a horseshoe shaped movement with the issue at the apex of the horseshoe. move in an arc toward the issue with your pup. at the point where she becomes aggressive, move away at an arc. give your command to out at the point where she starts aggressive response, give praise for 'good out' when she stops being aggressive and then repeat. in each of these movements you are working to increase her threshhold.
the behavioral theory here is simple: the closeness of the issue(proximity), as well as the way in which it is moving in relation to your dog(kinetics) is what elicits your dog's response. if she is low in self-confidence, her reaction will be fear/aggression. by working with her in these two areas (closeness and relational movement) you will be bringing up her confidence and thereby decrease her negative reactions.
note: as you move away, give her the command to 'out' (or whatever your command is for non-aggression. when you reach the point where she stops, praise her with the command (good out), then start back in.
you can also use this with strange people, or strange noises, etc. at five months i would not use a prong; i think you're right that it would make her reaction worse.
get her out and expose her to as many things as you can. when her reaction is negative, use the de-sensitization sequence. don't scold her; use of tone of mild annoyance, like 'that is bothering you? come on.' with people, let her approach them, not them her. advise people who want to help that they should not look her in the eye, but rather look at the top of her head (between the ears). extend the hand palm up, and reach to touch her (when she is willing), under the chin and on the chest, not over the top of her head. gradually move hands from chest to sides, then the butt, then the back and lastly, the top of her head. this manner of touching will help her to overcome her fear of being grabbed. there is an instinct in these dogs that is sharper than most; to be touched is to be harmed.
these dogs can overcome their insecurity but you must be patient and committed. the more interaction she gets the sooner she will improve.
also, i have always liked ddr dogs. they can be sharp, as you indicate yours is, but i grew up with these dogs and i like them. you must be careful not to encourage their negative reactions, but with the right training they can make awesome partners. good luck!
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Re: Fear aggression in a 5 month old pup
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#102815 - 04/01/2006 04:35 PM |
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My experience is nowhere near that of many other posters on this site, but don't some pups go through a "fear stage" at about 4 to 5 months of age and key-in or react negatively to new people or objects and even react to things they have had in their environment all along.
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#102816 - 04/01/2006 04:36 PM |
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Thanks everyone for the prompt and detailed replies, KEEP THEM COMING!
So the consensus so far is use a dominant dog collar along with the slow introduction of the listed methods. I will begin this, and will also be relaying all of this information to the trainer I am going to work with.
And as far as the exercises go,if it would be beneficial to call my vet (for example), and get permission to walk through the front door of the building with the dog, about face, back to the car and home once a day for a month, I would do that.
And just as a reference point, to bring this pup into a pet store (for example) at this point would illicit an aggressive response almost immediately. This same response (aggression coming in the door) was present at day one of socialization (class comprised of about 10 other dogs/owners), but has subsided dramatically over the past month or so to the point that she will "put on the show" only if we are seated and others enter the building. We can now pretty much get in the building and participate in the exercises (kind of removed from the group, off to the side)without too many outbursts. Baby steps I guess, right? However, that is the only place that it has in fact subsided. Every new situation other than this illicits the response at 100% intensity, so I guess my next question is with dogs like this, will every new situation over her lifetime require 1000 repetitions to neutralize, or do these methods slowly work into their sustained personality?
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Re: Fear aggression in a 5 month old pup
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Ruth-
I have read and been advised of that several places as well. However, my pup has been exhibiting these behaviors from fairly early on. She apparently enjoyed the first fear period and has decided to carry through straight into adolescence <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#102818 - 04/01/2006 05:04 PM |
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it is possible to improve your dog's confidence and greatly decrease the negative reactions, but she sounds like she will be 'testy' all of her life. you can get control, but she will probably not like strangers or new things, and may require training at any point where her reaction is negative. i have had sharp dogs who learned to control their reactions, but it was usually only when they were with me. be careful how you kennel her, and where she is kept when she is alone.
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#102819 - 04/01/2006 05:07 PM |
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It sounds like you've made progress. The airport is a great place to experience people moving around. You could try finding a space for you and the dog to sit back and people watch and see how she responds...few dogs though. Repetition and baby steps. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />
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