sefi sahar Webboard User Reg: 11-29-2006
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greetings,
ineed recommendation for the best ecollar to your openion for small dogs,
by small dogs im refering here to jack russells and small jaged teriers and some other small terirs between thos size.
up till now iworked all of my dogs (medium to big) with tri tronics
ifound tham the best to my openion but ive heard they are not the best firm for small working dogs.
The Innotek Ultra Micro series are physically the smallest. Candi will probably chime in soon; she's had very good luck with Innotek on her dogs. I've got a Dogtra 1700. I bought it for several reasons but now mostly I like it because I was able to get longer contacts for it (my dog's got a very long coat). I think it would be a bit large for a Jack Russell size dog. It has worked great, but with the tiny Innotek being available it seems silly to buy one that is larger for a small dog.
James H. Larkey Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2007
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I've had my fair share of training ankle biters....
IMO, the size of the dog does not matter for general training. Dog training is dog training.
I've seen a few small dogs that require two or three times the stimulation level of large breed dogs, including working dogs. It depends on the individual dog.
I like dogtra mainly because I can custom set the stimulation level to the bare minimum required to get a dogs attention with the variable control knob. I guess this applies to large and small breeds alike.
Innotek collars look good......but I have never used them. I'm a Dogtra type guy.
sefi sahar Webboard User Reg: 11-29-2006
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ido agree with you about the size of the dog dont matter the generall training and that adog is adog.
iknow too some tiny jacks that will tolarate corections that alot of medium or big dogs can take.
my main concern is about two generall things:
1): that avery small dog will be harmed fisicly (in the short or in the long run) by elctric stimullate that aregullar dog can take with no damge. nad that it will be less risky for the dog to get in tiny holes and such.
2):that the collar will fit to the best to the dog size and that the dog will feel it presents the least acollar can give. (ihave other things on the dog beside the collar)
James H. Larkey Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2007
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Quote: sefi sahar
1): that avery small dog will be harmed fisicly (in the short or in the long run) by elctric stimullate that aregullar dog can take with no damge. nad that it will be less risky for the dog to get in tiny holes and such.
The e-stimulation won't effect a smaller dog any different than a larger dog. And again, I like dogtra mainly because I can custom set the stimulation level to the bare minimum required to get a dogs attention.
If you are worried about the reciever unit getting hung up in tight spaces, just make sure the reciever is positioned directly below his lower jaw in the middle of his throat. I think that would reduce the risk of getting hung up. I also believe that is what Ed reccomended about fitting e-collars in his basic obedience dvd.
Are you going to hunt something with him that digs tunnels?
Quote: sefi sahar
2):that the collar will fit to the best to the dog size and that the dog will feel it presents the least acollar can give. (ihave other things on the dog beside the collar)
If you are asking which collar the dog would notice less, I would look at two things....the length of the contact points.......and the total weight of each reciever unit.....I guess the weight wouldn't matter much, the dog would forget he was wearing it after using it awhile.
sefi sahar Webboard User Reg: 11-29-2006
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thank you again for the reply.
its avery importent matter you where mention about the stimulation extra controll iguess thats what im looking for that and the openion base on expreince of peapole like you and scot that use for some time and are please.
iknow only of tri tronics and other firm (which ilike less)
about the whight its not the conditining that worrys me about its the extra whight. ineed to reduce whight on the dog to the sharpest minimum for the small dog could move agille as possible.
about the location of the collar we share the same openion about the safest place to where it allthou they do get stack somtimes when crowling backwards in the ends of tight pipes, tunnels and such so im looking for the most smoth integrated with body form (gee long term, ihope igot the right one)
of the dog with less bumps.
thanks again
so far you helped me alot.
sefi.s
israel
James H. Larkey Webboard User Reg: 01-21-2007
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Hmmmmm......weight and size are most important to you......sounds like you might want that Innotek Ultra Smart. It only has a range of 300 yards.....and I didn't see anything about it being waterproof either........
James: just so you don't feel you're alone in betraying Dogtra...knowing what I know now I might have gone with the Innotek. I never really make less than a 10 step change on my 1700, so it really only has effectively 12 levels instead of 127. Also, my pup never responded to the 1/2 second nick button. In order to get her to notice a correction I have to artificially create a longer nick by pressing the continuous button for 1-2 seconds. So I wouldn't have missed the lack of a nick button on the Innotek either. And the size of the Innotek, Li-Ion battery and charger design are great. But ultimately I went with the Dogtra because I needed the longer contacts and I also wanted to change the collar from the buckle to a side-release, things you can't do with the Innotek.
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