I was looking for some vids of JRTs doing Schutzhund......(we had one trained in PP once upon a time.....)
I found this one..If its been posted before I apologize.

I thought to share it in light of some recent discussions about handler Aggression.
No vid is perfect, but I like the way that they handle this dog's reactions.

First I like the grip that this guy has, I like their version of "into the arms"
I like the way they are working him.

About a min or min and a half, they out the lovely little dog.
He gets frustrated and turns right back on his handler...but the decoy is right there snapping the whip, focusing the dog on him, and back into prey.

They out him 2? more times, and each time the decoy is ready for the dog to turn back on the handler, and gets the dog focused back on the decoy.

Any way, Its a great example of a flammable dog, and the frustration and redirection of focus onto the handler....

Not a bad dog at all....I like him (love his bite, calm and full)....but it shows that you really need to not be a beginning handler and that you need to have a decoy that knows what they are doing......especially in cases of handler aggression.
Also I think the little guy just rocks!!!!!!

Willie

So where is the vidio linc, Willie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIXQnbc2Rsk


Sry.....lol....silly me!!!!!!!!

Scrappy, intense little bugger. I've seent this little guy's vidoe before.

Although, I see this as redirection by the dog, while in high drive, not handler aggression. This dog would have redirected on another dog or person that was standing there. So I don't see this as a handler aggression issue. It's redirection of his drive out of frustration for not getting the sleeve, nothing more to me. But the anticipation of his redirecting on the handler is well handled by both his handler & decoy to direct attention back to him & the sleeve.

Yes.........

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.Although, I see this as redirection by the dog, while in high drive, not handler aggression

I could agree with this statement..........

Please explain why you feel this isn't "handler aggression".

I would like to hear what your views are on the difference between the two things.
Willie

To me, true handler aggression is when a dog, which does not HAVE to be a dominant dog, will come up at you while given a command or when it has just decided that it doesn't feel like doing anymore heeling etc. I am not talking about while doing heavy excitable bitework. And it doesn't have to be after any kind of a correction, although this can certainly trigger it. To me a dominant dog will constantly challenge your leadership, I am not talking about this kind of dog.

Maybe it's just a question of semantics & some people call redirection on the handler while working in high drive, handler aggression. I don't. Maybe it's just the way certain dogs handle frustration or overload just hecticness due to breeding. I don't know.

My female has redirected on me on occasion while working in heavy bitework. Trust me, she doesn't have the least ioda of handler aggression in her, nor is she a dominant dog. But she is a VERY hard tempermented dog.

My male on the other hand is a softer dog with a very low frustration level & hectic.(by breeding, unfortunately) He has a fair amount of handler aggression in his lines(and I was told this before purchase & since by others) & will occassionally have it show. He has come at me on a number on occasions. He is a 'pushy' dog by not dominant, is social & I can pretty much do anything with & to him without incident. Much of the time, just a 'no' is enough of a correction for him & I do not need to correct him physically very much at all & his obedience is excellent. He just get his knickers in a twist on occasion. He is not a large dog, only 78#S. I am NOT heavy handed with him at all & he has been marker trained from an 8 wk old pup. Most of HA was during the time that he was coming into maturity. Although it occured at times earlier, the incidents increased between the age of almost 2 -around 3 or so, as I would have expected. It has been extinguished & I probably work him more now in heavy heeling & other obedience then ever before. He is almost 4 now.

I have had other softer dogs. He is not my first. Both of my dogs are intact.

Anyway that has been my experience. I am sure that there are others that will disagree with what I have stated.

Dogs are all different & we need to work with what we have & figure out how to train to keep the bond & relationship that we have with our dogs intact & yet keep the respect & leadership that is needed. It can sometimes be a challenge. This dog has taught me to how to think outside the box to train him. I think that we learn from all of our dogs. They all have something to teach us.

Thank you Anne.
That was excellent.

My pleasure, for whatever my info is worth.

We all have different perspectives on things. With respect for one another, that is why we can share & lean here.

I meant learn here.

I agree with Willie - the dog is frustrated and both the handler and the decoy are making minor errors that are making for a set-up for a mis-directed bite.

For the decoy ( who was otherwise excellent ), he was "loading" the dog with the whip way more than the dog needed - he could have gotten the same reaction from *this* dog with a change in posture alone.
He was basically pushing the dog into what we would call "hectic" behavior, and that's were trouble happens.

The dog would have benefited from being in a harness instead of using a collar alone.

Next, this is not a dog that was needing the "come into my arms" as much as was being done here - the dog was simply becoming frustrated and the handler was making himself a target by bending over the dog so much.

Just my opinion, but it seems to fit the bill here.