When a dog is taught to bite the legs, the decoy first introduces large exaggerated movements with the legs to get the dog to target that area. The movements eventually become less exaggerated until the decoy can walk up to the dog and the dog bites the legs.
So if a dog is taught to bite the legs, will the dog eventually see the natural movement of walking as prey movement when give the bite command? If a decoy walks straight up to the dog, will the dog feel defense because the decy is walking straight in or will it feel prey because of the movement of the legs?
John DeKruyff Webboard User Reg: 08-14-2001
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The decoy can either do prey or defense......to briefly summarize.....If the decoy wants to do defense work, then he just walks slow with a stare and with full frontal body posture. If the decoy wants to do prey work, then he can move side to side with a little more movement in his legs, while looking away.
Either...depends on the decoy's body language AND the specific dog...unfortunately many dogs in sport have negligible defense and many remain in prey regardless...so just depends on the dog and the decoy.
Those which have a good balance of prey and defense...which drive they'll respond in; will be determined by the decoy and what he does...
Howard Knauf Webboard User Reg: 09-24-2003
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A decent dog will ignore normal body language/activity as a way of life. It is when the abnormal occurs which causes the dog to key on the body. Jerky movements, threatening eye contact and body language as well as tone of voice, among other things is what determines when the dog will go into defense or prey, or at least become suspicious.
When dog is tought to target specific parts of body he will return to them always. So if you teach dog to bite armpit area, or legs in pray he will come back to those targets in defense work.
There was already topic about leg bitting dogs and pros of leg targeting over higher targets, can't find it now; my question is what good is teaching pp dog to target specific area?
Let him bite all over just make shure he lets go on the first command.
I'm not referring to a dog being stimulated by leg movement of regular people walking around.
Let me elaborated on what I mean. When a decoy walks straight on a dog with a angry look in his face, threatening posture, etc..., it kicks in the dog's defense drive. If a dog is taught to always target up high, it can see the persons facial expression or anger and body posture. However, if a dog is trained on the legs a lot, it will stare at the legs when someone walks straight in. Since the legs are the target, the target is moving because the person is walking. Thus a rapidly moving target stimulates prey drive. Since the dog is staring at the legs, it does not notice facial expression and upper body posturing as much. There really is no "angry looking legs".
So rather than feeling defensive, wouldn't a dog heavily trained on legs feel prey drive instead?
i would have to disagree. now, i haven't decoyed hundreds of dogs, but the ones i have decoyed watched me, all of me. there is a point, regardless of where the dog was taught to bite, that it will "lock in" and go for a specific target. when this happens depends on the dog, 5 ft, 3 ft, you can learn to recognize this by decoying, and a good dog can change it's target in an instant.
whether the dog is in prey or not depends on the dog and the decoy. i would say that most dogs are probably more aware of what the decoy is doing than the handler is, and in some cases more aware of what the decoy is doing than the decoy is.
i will also add that when biting on the legs, many dogs are still watching what is going on, not just looking at the legs.
this is what i have seen.
brandon
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