If anyone is interested in training or learning the sport of Belgian Ring, Please contact me via email. I am located in Columbus, GA. I am training for both NVBK-America and Traditional NVBK. The only difference is that traditional is Belgium affiliated and they have designated target areas, and NVBK-America is independent of Belgium and the dog is allowed to target wherever the handler teaches, the trials are held in the US and US Territories only. Right now with traditional you have to travel to Belgium for trial. If you are interested in training and you live in GA or AL close to GA and are interested in training, please contact me. If you live elsewhere and are interested in NVBK-AMERICA go to http://www.nvbkamerica.com you can recieve help with understanding the program through video and seminar and round the clock Belgian Ringers to call on. Also, if start a club with NVBK-America there is a helpful gift courtesy of the organization. If you are intersted in both contact me via email for "How to?" affiliation to belgium (traditional)

I train NVBK in Belgium and have a question for the people in the USA namely: "how can you complete a trail and only have a score of 96/400?" (2005 Season Peach State Performance Dogs Cat. 3 NVBK Trial Sat. March 5th, 2005)or is this a typing error?. Scores in the hundreds and twohundreds are logical for a young dog or a dog on a bad day but less than 100 seems, looking from a distance, rather impossible if you consider that:

Basic obedience gives already 80 points of which in principle 60 can be gained by you're average "pet"
Jumps give you the possibility to gain 60 points of which the wall can give difficulties so with only these 2 parts you can easy get 100 points.without even one attack/defence. My 19 month old dog isn't ready,but if we judge him on training (this is in a sort of mocktrail condition, on a field he knows...) his score is 300+

It's just that i have tried to imagine a sytuation that gives this result but i don't understand how it can be done.

Greetings


Johan

I hope that it is an error as well, but trust me we have no control over the idiots that go on the field sometimes. I am not talking about the trial you saw, I am talking about a trial we had recently here in Colorado in Mondio ring. I felt that we should have denied this mans entry, one he was not even close to prepared, and since he was in our club and we brought a judge from overseas it would be extremely embarassing to the club. He was "given" 36 points for his dog in brevet. (I could only come up with 12-16 out of 100) It was extremely disheartening for me as a club member to be humiliated like that. Two weeks later he went for his BH in Schutzhund and was embarrased off the field there. This is the kind of crap we have to put up with in dog sports. I have in the past been prepared, went out and got embarrased, but that happens. If any of my club members would have told me I was not ready I would have waited. Sorry for the rant but this was recently and still ticks me off.

Johan,
This is an old post, and I no longer for many reasons care to be involved with either Belgium Ring affiliation group. Maybe St. Hubert would be different and be sincere and not intrested in lining up their pocket$, but as far as I know they haven't reached out to the US to offer their organization here. I believe your sport is an extremely awesome sport, but here in the US and for an American in EU I don't think it will ever succeed, about as much chance as people in hell getting ice water. Some of my reasons I vagly offer.

As for that trial, the 1 dog out of 3 that "passed" supposedly got a 309, I would rather keep my opinions to myself about that "trial". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Hi Chris, I would like to add a couple of comments to your post. The major difference between what we are trying to do and what NVBK America is doing is not just where the dog can bite, granted Belgian Ring Sport is very strict about the target areas in the sport and the quality of the bite. I understand that NVBK America has also introduced a French Ring Face Attack into the programs as well. There are other areas that separate the two sports, 1. as affiliate clubs recognized by the NVBK in Belgium, we use certified judges from Belgium, 2. We adhere to the BR rules and we soon hope to see our 3. American Judges program off and running soon to have NVBK certify our own judges. 4. Because we use certified judges the trials are recognized internationally. 5. We are only Affiliate clubs, we do not have, and do not want, an American National BR organization, so all the politics remains in Belgium. This is very, very important to me, due to my past experiences and present observations of American politics. We want to enjoy the sport, as a sport, if this is at all possible. 6. The clubs that are affiliated with the NVBK, are clubs, we do not, and hopefully never will try to combine the sport with the business of selling dogs, equipment, videos, training, etc. Individuals, of course will probably be doing this, but not any national organization. It will take awhile to get all this together, but we will get it done. One other comment I would like to make Germain Pauwels has done allot of work over the years in promoting the NVBK Federation and BR, I have heard all the negative comments about him from over here in this country by you and others about his lack of power of decisions, etc, Please name one corporation that the President is not answerable to it’s Board of Directors! The Board of Directors IS the power. Otherwise it would be a sole proprietorship with NO board of directors and run by one person. When a country is trying to export it’s sport, there are many areas of confusion before it gets worked out. When FR came over here we had all these same problems with the mother organization in France, but most people in the sport today were not involved when that was going on so they have no knowledge of it.

Lastly, I would like to say, in this comparison of the two sports, NVBK America and BR, I am not slamming Gus Artiles, I have known Gus for years and I have been friends with him as long. I even understand why he took his organization in a different direction than we are going, our way is much slower and has more hurdles to get over, but we are trying to get it accomplished through Germain and the NVBK Board of Directors in Belgium and our groups here in the Northeast. Thanks for listening. Bob Dixon
http://www.freewebs.com/maine_man/Mainely%20NVBK/mainely.htm
Check out the BR seminar and trial in Maine , October 28, 29, 30th 2005

Bob, welcome to the board, it's a real honor for us to have you here!!


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Thank you, but the honor is all mine. Great forum. BD

Hi all, This is an update on the status of Belgian Ring in the Northeast. We have sent several proposals and questions to the Board of Directors of the NVBK in Belgium. As of August 27, 2005 the Certificate program is recognized and authorized by the Board, in fact the program is going to be implemented in Belgium, as well. They also took up the Judges program for U.S. Judges from the affiliate clubs and approved the process for establishing apprentice judges and when qualified, full judgeships . For your information, because it has been asked in the past, a Belgian Ring scorebook is NOT necessary for the certification, but of course, it is for the Cat 3 through Cat 1. The reason for this is so attendees at the seminars that may want to take a crack at BR or get a taste of the BR program can participate in the certification program and once they decide they like the sport, they can get an official scorebook and delve into the realm of Belgian Ring. Anyone desiring a NVBK scorebook can bring your dog and your dogs pedegree with you to the event in Maine and get your scorebook for entry into the trial.
N.V.B.K. CERTIFICATE “Basic Exercises Belgian Ring”

Obedience – Agility – Courage /daring

heeling at leash - 4
heeling with muzzle - 6
retrieve of a object - 10
down for 1 minute with food refusal (2 pieces) 8 (down) 12 (refusal)
searching from a object - 10
1 jump over a pit/hurdle- 10
attaque with stick - 35
defense of the handler (short version, handshake + attaque) - 35
attaque (gunfire) – 35
stop attaque (short distance) - 20
11. general attitude - 15
Total points: 200

If you think you might like to give it a try come on to Maine at the end of October. We planned this to be after all the Ring events and the NARA Championships to make it less of a conflict of scheduling for the participants. Belgian Judge, Belgian Decoy. Check out the info at: http://bobdixonusa.us

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Bob,
I want to give you a huge CONGRADULATIONS!! Looks like you guys are really coming along with it. I know you have put alot of hard work into making this happen and I'm really happy for you guys that you have managed to get where you have. Please allow me to be the first to eat my words, I NEVER thought I'd see a sanctioned BR trial held here in the US. You guys also, succeeded in getting the BRC recognized by Belguim, what you have done is history in the making, and momumental if I may say. Those not involved in BR probably won't understand just how momumental of an obstacle you all have overcome. You guys are the First to bring BR to the US. CONGRADULATIONS! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Congrats Bob. I'll second everything Chris said. If you've in fact been successful in bringing BR to America, the majority of American protection dog trainers owe you a debt of gratitude. As a Malinois owner and advocate, BR in America is a GIANT step forward in helping to ensure the future of this breed (and others) in the working venue. BR has so much to offer as an established & legitimate sport and breed tool.
Again, congratulations and I look forward to the possibility of training with you folks in the future.