Last night I was watching 20/20 and they were talking about Dog training. One of the trainers they had on was a treat trainer and didn't beleive in corrections. They then showed a few clips of dog traing videos. One of them was the "Basic Dog Obedience" video. It was only about 2 seconds long, but showed Ed giving a correction.
What was funny is this guy from 20/20 was using his dog as an example. He put a lot of "motivational" training into this dog and it still bites and runs all over him. I though it was funny. The guy needs to save his money and buy a prong collar and Ed's video.
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I sent Ed an E mail about it last night. 20/20 totally used that clip out of context - Ed was saying on the tape that this was a strong correction for a strong dog, but of course they didn't include his voice over and had the nerve to show it as an example of what *not* to do.
That whole segment was basically a stupid owner problem. John Stossel probably spent $1000's of dollars having other people train his dog, when his entire problem was that he could not give the animal the correction it needed. I lost a lot of respect for him ( not that I have much respect for the media to begin with :rolleyes: ).
I doubt that they had Ed's permisson to use that video clip, I hope he sues their asses off.
It was a cutesie feature story, not hard news or some sort of expose on the dog training industry. I'm sure that the snippet they used falls under Fair Use.
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Lisa - let me comment on your statement about "FAIR USE" of my video on TV - BULL SHIT - there is no FAIR USE of copy right material. It pisses me off that 20/20 uses my video without asking. It's against the law and I am dealing with these ass holes. I don't know how you make your living or feed you family but I make mine by producing dog training videos and breeding dogs. If someone uses my videos without my consent then its called THEFT. Just because they are a well known TV program does not give them the right to use copy right material.
Burn them and do let us know. Sheesh! This is what happen when people who knows nuts about dog training trying to act god. Way to go Ed. Give this guy his proper correction <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
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Ed, I'm curious to know what comes of this, and I can certainly understand your position, but to be quite honest, I really do think that technically they are protected by fair use laws. Until recently, I made my living and fed my family working in TV broadcasting, so I'm a little bit familiar with copyright law. I'm not saying they were right, or that you shouldn't be P.O.ed, but as I understand it, they don't need your permission to use it because it was used for a news piece, and they only used a couple of seconds of it.
I can see why it would be fair use, IF IT WAS USED IN CONTEXT, however, as another stated, it was used to demonstrate the improper way of correcting a dog. To me, that would be a violation of copy right law. It must also be considered that because the clip was used out of context, the possibility of Ed claiming defamation of character would be justified and certainly founded. Although they may not have used his name when using the clip, there are those individuals who would recognize Ed and accordingly, question his techniques and reputation. Ed has a legal right to pursue his claim, if anything because the clip was used out of context.
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