Board,

Im just curious what the people here think of Gene England and his training services? Someone in my club just returned from one of his seminar and I want some opinions..

For everyone's personal safety ( and I'm not kidding here in the least ) I'm going to suggest that ya'll PM Michael with your opinions about Gene, both good and bad.

Gene currently has a fan named Steve Leigh, who is severely mentally ill - if you speak poorly of Gene in any way, Leigh will actually start an entire web page on you, including personal information and pictures of your house and kennel. This has recently happened to a Nationally ranked SchH competitor that occasionally posts here. That's some scary crap, but that's exactly why he does it - he is one seriously disturbed person.
Unless you enjoy being Cyber-stalked by a nut job, you need to be careful here - and may I note what an effective method of quieting any dissenting opinion about someone that the nut job has put into place.
Of course, smart people may wonder why someone would be driven to such an extreme length and do a little research of their own - then they might uncover things in the past about said nut job that might have lead to those extremes of behavior...

And actually, if you just post long enough on this board, you'll end up mentioned on Leigh's site, simply for posting here. He's already sniping at Kevin Sheldahl and Karmen Byrd, along with the long list of people that he feels the need to attack. Lou Castle said it best when he commented that Leigh's website says a lot more about Leigh than it does about the people he attacks on it.

Actually, I've chosen to open this topic for just a post to say something.

And I'm writing this as a poster and a dog sport person, not a Moderator.
These are entirely my views and in no way represent Ed or Leerburg in *any* way.

We had a brand new poster today ask about the Leigh fellow that we've discussed in the above thread, however an another Moderator removed that thread within an hour of it being posted.
I wrote this long , and hopefull factual reply which I didn't get to post to try an inform some of the people new to the site.


Then, lo and behold, I recieved an E mail to my business site that I have listed in my signature from Leigh. There was nothing in the E mail but a reprint of my post directly above this one.

What a cowardly attempt to try an intimidate me. I know what I've said on this site, and while I have strongly held opinions, I'm not embarrassed about anything that I've written here. I've done fairly well in the dog world, and with the exception of a few psycho's, I'm fairly well liked.

I've previously discussed Leigh being a cyber stalker and I've stop posts because of his mental illness. If you'll look at what has just happened to me, that pretty much shows that this Leigh guy must moniter the forum's literally 24/7 to catch a post that is only up for an hour. That's one *scary obsession*, folks.


My unprinted & hopefully educational reply:

Sorry ****, this is old news

The fellow running that site is severely mentally ill, and you can look through his main site to find really detailed instruction on how to kill yourself, and along with a lot of his anguished writings about his deceased wife. Reading that stuff, I almost feel bad for him. Almost..

Among his other writings on his main site is a detailed boast of him stealing from construction sites at night to build his music studio. Yeah, there's something to be really proud of.... :rolleyes:

The guy is a cyber stalker. When folks are banned from this site for whatever reason, he immediately tracks them down to get a negative comment about Ed to add to his site. He goes to them, they don't come to him - he has to search out those comments, which immediately tells you something.
And he does this to basically anyone that disagrees with him. He's cyber stalked female members of this board, and he's gone so far as to post pictures of those members *houses* on his website, for simply disagreeing with him. Gee, I wonder if he does that in an attempt to intimidate people?

Supposedly he ran a guard dog business in the past. He went over to Germany, bought a SchH III already titled dog, and repeated the SchH III. He flashes the German newspaper article of that around quite a bit, since he really has done nothing else in the dog world, as far as anyone else can see.
He came back to Florida and showed the dog ( named Barkasse ) *once*, in a DVG team trial seminar in Orlando ( Paul Hombach flew in to train the club ) in Jan. of 1982, where he scored a 86 in Ob. That was the last we ever saw of him in SchH, and I've got every DVG magazine & SchH USA magazine going back into the very early 1980's, and the old UFO newsletters, which were the first of the SchH newsletters ever done - we're really going back there with those. I can find no further mention of him published for any trial or seminar, nor do I remember him in any way. It's very easy for me to check this stuff, I'm an excellent record keeper and I've been doing this sport * a long* time. Plus, I have pretty good research skills.

The guy had a forum, which was recently taken down. The majority of the posters were either people Ed had kicked off this forum, or famed idiot trolls of the dog world like "Captain" Haggerty. There were some great psycho rants on that forum, with crazed accusations against law enforcement personnel ( including Kevin Sheldahl ) that were the stuff that would make a psychiatrist drool.

Think about this for a moment. What does it say about a person's personality and mental state that they will go to the length of actually starting an entire website and aggressively search out people to post ( most anonymously ) negative comments about someone because they disagree with your training methods? Did getting kicked off Ed's forum so scar this guys mind that he spends dozens, if not hundreds of hours planning and plotting to "get back" at Ed for the horrible action of removing him from a internet forum?

And he does the same thing on the Hammond organ boards on google, etc. There are plenty of angry rants to read there concerning him. He obviously gets off on this. The need in this guy's mind for him to be right, no matter what, pretty much rules his life. God, how sad is that? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

He has posted that he's out of dogs now, and that he's had a stroke and leukemia ( all things he's posted about himself in various forums ). He's pretty much just a bitter little old man, sickly and mad at the whole world ( and himself, if you'll read his posting ) . He has suffered from long term depression ( by his own account ) and now he's trapped behind a key board with his only outlet being the internet. If he wasn't such a jerk, I'd truely feel sorry for him.

I'm sure I'll be featured in his website for writing this, after all, I already got his feeble attempt at intimidation today via E mail. He must feel like such a man. :rolleyes:
I can't wait to see how he he'll take small bits of quotes out of context and spin them to make me look bad.

So that's it, boys and girls. There are posters here that have suffered at this idiots hands, so posts regarding him and his trashy little website will be locked or deleted.

End of story.