here is a link abusive training

what do you guys think this was posted on one of the email groups i am a member

Dave, I think it's idiots posting crap out of context about a subject that they know nothing about...but that's just my view.

And by the way...Sue Marston, the owner of that link is a militant animal right lunatic. She rants against sled dogs, animal testing, and a variety of kook causes across the entire internet. She has been linked to the ALF, a terrorist organization in the past.
Sadly, people with psych illnesses can run a website just fine, apparently..

After seeing Sue Mausten 's stupid web site - I added her name to the part of my web site she was commenting on. This is what it now says - this comment on my site was an answer to a emial question:

I have an article on "Dealing with the Dominant Dog and Dealing with the Overly Aggressive dog" - read these and make sure that you are doing everything properly.

If the dog is used to wearing the muzzle, make him wear it for awhile and then take him out with a prong collar and do some obedience training. Sometimes prong collars can over stimulate a dog. If this happned then use one of my Dominant Dog Collar.

Every instance of unwarranted aggression needs to result in a correction. If the dog comes after you then you have a handler aggressive dog.

When that happens it's time to get some help from someone who really understands rank drive. The problem is not a lot of people know how to deal with this. I have a DVD that goes into this area (Click here)

It involves a dominant dog collar and following the protocol of using it correctly. See the article I wrote on how this is done

This is not done with a fight. The handler must remain very calm or it just brings out the fight in the dog. If that happens then you lose what you are trying to do, because the dog thinks it’s a fight and that's not what this is about.

Its about a dominant dog understanding that you are a higher rank than it is. In the wild the leader of a wolf pack has the power to kill a lower ranking pack member if he chooses. Very handler aggressive dominant dogs (dangerous dogs) must have that kind of respect for their handlers. Not that the handler will kill the dog. They won't and don't want this.

Dogs (all dogs) are pack animals. Dogs understand rank within a pack. Dogs that attack their handlers don't respect the handlers rank.

This portion of my article has been mentioned and taken out of context and written about on other web sites. These sites choose to attack this method of handling dangerous dominant dogs.

The people who own these sites ( like Sue Marston in Ventura Ca )have never been exposed to a truly dangerous dominant dog. Ms Marston would either choose to kill the kinds of dogs I am talking about (rather than give them a chance) or they would get severely hurt trying their foolish Peta methods of training.

My comment to Ms, Marston is they need a lot more training on dominant and aggressive dogs and that should start by taking a good arm and leg bite from a tough dog. It is surprising how that will make them see the light of god and find Jesus in a dominant dog collar.

With this said, dominant dog collars like any training tool can be abused. In the wrong hands a Halty can be abused. So I am not sticking up for abusive or untrained dog trainers. There are plenty of those out there.

Well written and really clear on your intent and methods!!!

Ed

Have read and studied the dominant and aggressive dog article, and agree with most of it.

just posted this to see if anybody had heard of this one before

This section of my web site is always a work inprogress. There are things there that need changing. When I finish this Dominant Dog DVD and the book that goes with it I need to go back and rewrite some things that should not be there.

I talked to Gary Patterson a couple of weeks ago. He is coming out with a new book to basically replace what he wrote 15 or 20 years ago. He said this willbe his last book but he had to do it because he was embarassed about someof whats in the first book. We laughed about that one because I can relate to it. We never stop learning.

David, I actually learned of her a while ago from an anti-Law Enforcement website run by the kooks protesting some world economic meeting in Seattle or the such.
Strange, strange people with way too much time on their hands. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

All I can say is that I own one male that I would LOVE to put into a room with the lady that owns that site. Id lay money on it that he'd be the one to walk out of the room alive.

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and that should start by taking a good arm and leg bite from a tough dog

I think all trainers should take a bite from a tough dog on a puppy sleeve before working with dogs beyond basic obedience, especially in protection work. Once your arm hurts for a week after a bite from a good dog, it raises your whole level of respect for what our canine friends are capable of.

I wouldn't use an e-collar on my dog without using it on myself first, and I wouldn't bite train a dog without taking a bite first. Perhaps when people realize that a dog can bite like that, they'll reconsider their petsmart training techniques - either that or their stupidity will cause them to misunderstand and thinks all dogs should be put down before they are able to bite someone accidentally, but hey - there's plenty of idiots in the world, just drive around the tourist part of Orlando and you'll see plenty of them operating motor vehicles.

I just read deeper into the site - besides from her being an idiot -- how likely do you think that this particular K9 trainer really did train dogs by regularly hanging them and kicking them in the chest and the nuts? Is this her exageration? Is the dog he is working with a particularly difficult dog to deal with? Or is this just the way that particular department decided to train their dogs?