http://www.fox2now.com/news/ktvi-columbia-dog-shooting-drug-raid-050710,0,3652907.story

local (St. Louis) coverage of the story. At least it's made it out of YouTube and into the "mainstream media." Hopefully shining a light on this kind of horror will get some additional attention and response.

This was the first time I saw this. Unfortunatley the guy probally is a dealer. But what about yelling "Get your dog?" I've seen that on cops and they let the guy put the dog away. My dog would be shot. He charges any sound he hears in the night. Maybe the guy should have said,"Don't hurt my dogs." Or "Let me put my dogs away." Those would be th first words out of my mouth as I know they would be assumed to be man eating pitbulls. I would assume they would know not to shoot a human. I think any dog would bark at men in black coming into the house. Very sad. Those poor kids...Hopefully some kind of legislation will come from this.

A definition of arrogance (ahem -- one I just made up): It's a closed loop, and self-limiting ..... much like a simulator game.


Thanks for the excellent example for what the shortcomings of the simulator games are.

Unlike life, simulators are a closed-loop system. They have a set of parameters that are never breached.

Thank you for an example for what I think is wrong with the tidal wave of virtual gaming that's taken over the world psyche.

If these games desensitize, it's because they so insulate one from the warm realities of life that in the end they completely divorce a person from what in reality is the chaos of life.

In the real world anything can, and frequently does, happen. Anything. But that concept somehow becomes lost on some (too many); they become trapped within a closed maze without any means of thinking outside of the box. Reacting in the only way they know ..... becoming virtual robots.


It could be why the police in the present thread reacted the way they did: it was the only way they knew. There wasn't any room in the game that had a peaceful quiet pot-head on the other side of the door. So they did as any good robot would do......just follow the program.

Too many television sets as baby-sitters from the first birthday on. Too many computer games as teachers. Too many simulator game walls between any real-world experience.

Virtual robots by the time college graduation comes about. If not warriors of one sort or another, then certainly good corporate citizens.

From that perspective, maybe there really was only one "correct" way those police could bust our earstwhile pot dealer.

M&M Enterprises

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they become trapped within a closed maze without any means of thinking outside of the box. Reacting in the only way they know ..... becoming virtual robots.

Naw, Randy, it's not that bad. I probably killed thousands of boars and wolves (and skeleton warriors and lizard wizards) and look at me - just fine

Ah, the world is becoming desensitized explantion. I can see it. As a teacher you can tell which of these little ones are babysat by video games. Also some are being raised by gamers who actually allow their kids to watch and play M rated games. Starting that young affects the development in so many ways. (Physical as well as mental) They seem to have a harder time with reality for sure. Depth perception, perspective etc. Interesting theory.

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they become trapped within a closed maze without any means of thinking outside of the box. Reacting in the only way they know ..... becoming virtual robots.

Naw, Randy, it's not that bad. I probably killed thousands of boars and wolves (and skeleton warriors and lizard wizards) and look at me - just fine

But how fine will you be when REAL boars, wolves, lizard wizards, and skeleton warriors come knocking?

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 Quote: Ana Kozlowsky

 Quote: randy allen

they become trapped within a closed maze without any means of thinking outside of the box. Reacting in the only way they know ..... becoming virtual robots.

Naw, Randy, it's not that bad. I probably killed thousands of boars and wolves (and skeleton warriors and lizard wizards) and look at me - just fine

But how fine will you be when REAL boars, wolves, lizard wizards, and skeleton warriors come knocking?

I'm ready. Let them come! They'll find out how to mess with a duergar anti-paladin.

 Quote: randy allen

A definition of arrogance (ahem -- one I just made up): It's a closed loop, and self-limiting ..... much like a simulator game.


Thanks for the excellent example for what the shortcomings of the simulator games are.

Unlike life, simulators are a closed-loop system. They have a set of parameters that are never breached.

Thank you for an example for what I think is wrong with the tidal wave of virtual gaming that's taken over the world psyche.

If these games desensitize, it's because they so insulate one from the warm realities of life that in the end they completely divorce a person from what in reality is the chaos of life.

In the real world anything can, and frequently does, happen. Anything. But that concept somehow becomes lost on some (too many); they become trapped within a closed maze without any means of thinking outside of the box. Reacting in the only way they know ..... becoming virtual robots.


It could be why the police in the present thread reacted the way they did: it was the only way they knew. There wasn't any room in the game that had a peaceful quiet pot-head on the other side of the door. So they did as any good robot would do......just follow the program.

Too many television sets as baby-sitters from the first birthday on. Too many computer games as teachers. Too many simulator game walls between any real-world experience.

Virtual robots by the time college graduation comes about. If not warriors of one sort or another, then certainly good corporate citizens.

From that perspective, maybe there really was only one "correct" way those police could bust our earstwhile pot dealer.

M&M Enterprises

Ah, you must be describing yourself with that description. Mine was the modern day adaption of an Aristotle quote but, I guess your "witty" and made up attempt at an insult works...for you.

I'm not quite sure what you're arguing against, other than just the chance to take your passive-aggressive shots at me. I quite clearly state that simulators are limited in scope and need real life experience to bring it all together. I quite clearly say that the only thing FPS games teach is reflex speed and target discrimination along with adding to the overall desensitization provided by the entertainment and media industries. I explained quite clearly in the other topic what information the ARMY saw fit to put into what it considers a training sim. It's designed as a recruitment tool so they make everything as realistic as possible for a video game. I quite clearly said all of that and yet, you're still arguing with me like I didn't? Odd.

The warm realities of life? The area I live in consistently has one of CA's highest per capita crime rates, occasionally topping the list. I'm pretty familiar with those "warm realities" and know just how quickly things can change.

If you want to continue this discussion, kindly drop the BS.

By the way, if you aren't already prepared for Z-Day, you're behind.

What were we arguing about again? Oh yeah, the video.

It seems to be the fallout of this that it seems the Columbia PD is moving up warrants like this so they don't have 8 days to wait to pursue a warrant. That perhaps the dog wasn't in a crate. That the corgi was shot while shooting the pit and that there is an investigation happening. Did I miss anything?

You forgot the part where world became a safer place because one man didn't get to smoke his joint that day....