Rick_Davis Webboard User Reg: 08-28-2006
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I would roll the dog whenever he did it again and then immediatly do some obedience with him and take him for a walk....... If it were me I would flog the He11 out of him like the other person said a level or 2 above the level of aggression shown to you. If it is done to a family member then make the dog submit and let that family member show domiance over the dog too.......
Alpha rolls and flogging? Flog means whip or beat with a stick.
Is that what you are recommending?
No, I don't mean beat, LOL, but I would definatly make sure he would be scared enough to not do it again. That's why I put roll in there. By flog I mean shake him by his scruff while he is down and make him lay there till he submitted! A dog like that can be a great danger to the family because they are not expecting a bite and could get it in the face or eye.
If it persisted and one could not get the dominance out and this is the case sometimes on true Alpha pack order males and some females the dog should not be allowed around the family or in any situation he may bite in.
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that type of behavior would intitiate a whirlwind of activity from me, not necessarily causing pain, but very quick and firm movements. much like a bitch does with her puppies when they are out of line. but remember there is no grudge and you cant be angry, the moment he stops everything is back to normal, the OB or walk is a good idea in my opinion as well. but when i say whirlwind of activity i mean scruff grabbing, body placement, nudging with legs and knees, and quick movements all around basically so they are like "whoa" what was that i am not ever going to do that again!
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Even with a muzzle, people have slipped, finger went in the wrong place, then stayed there.. alpha roll is a very dangerous thing, just because Cesar can do it doesn't mean it should be an option for everyone. Go ahead and do it if you don't mind losing your face if the muzzle breaks or you misjudge your dog. Maybe you have a spare face waiting around, but most of us don't.
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http://www.germanshepherds.com/ubbthread...p;page=0#640483
That forum post has several links related to NILIF and becoming a pack leader and maintaining the role. It includes the link to Leerburg's article on groundwork to becoming a pack leader.
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Rick - you need to be very careful about what you recommend on this web board.
While your method may work for the dog you have - many people come to this board that have dogs that would EAT YOUR LUNCH if you tried the behavior you are talking about.
The advice you give is a dangerous path for many and you need to be very careful about telling people this. If someone would follow this advice and got badly hurt I am sure you would feel pretty bad about it.
There are safer and better ways and people need to ERROR on the side of safty and control.
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Mike,
I reread your original post and noticed one point no one has addressed. Some dogs associate altitude with attitude, meaning higher ranking pack members are entitled to occupy positions above other pack members. If the dog has already been "getting away" with things, he may feel that pack rank may be open to change. You stated that you, your wife and dog were on the floor (all at same level) when the issue arose. Do you think this would have happened if at the time you were standing? If the answer is no, when you want to lay on the floor crate the dog.
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Time to post my usual disclaimer regarding advice and training techniques:
Folks, the advice given on this forum ( or any forum ) can range from excellent to terrible. The experience of people giving such advice also ranges - from new first time pet owners to highly experienced professional dog trainers. That's the nature of any forum, really - and at least this forum requires a real name so that we don't fall into the "anonymous armchair experts" giving advice like happens on so many other forums.
But *everyone* is free to post an opinion - and it's up to the reader to determine what is good advice and who may be worth listening to. I'm saying this from a safety standpoint, much as Ed has just posted just a few replies ago in this very thread.
I also don't want readers to read about an old style of correction that has fallen out of common use and then thinking about trying it out on their dog with possible personal injury as the result.
Let's be careful out there and plan our training for success.
.....or if someone used this method on a dog that was too soft and handler sensitive for this type of correction the dog may have a difficult time trusting the handler ever again.
Thank you so much for all the responses. I know that I should be able to take away anything he is chewing on at anytime but is this something I should build up to or should I just go for it? I know for a fact it will result in a fight. I don't know what happened but somethin has changed, I can feel it. I put away all his toys but he finds his own like a sock or my cats brush. He will lay in the middle of the room or even lay right up next to my feet and chew on it. I see him tense up like he is ready to fight evry time I move at all in his direction. Is there a more safer way that I can convince him to not protect things from me?
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