Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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#140134 - 05/01/2007 07:47 AM |
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Yea, a boxer. I have never even seen an aggresive boxer.
You're lucky. I have and he was pretty intense.
We don't require a deposit for dogs at our place since we're lucky enough to currently rent to friends.
What I have heard of are deposits anywhere from between $50-$1000 depending on the age and breed of the dog, with the average being about $500 if the place allows dogs over 50lbs.
Many places won't allow puppies due to their destructive potential, and many places (especially in multi-family units) don't allow "aggressive breeds" because of the liability...especially if there are children living elsewhere on the property. Children add an aspect of unpredictibility to the mix. Also, many places that do allow dogs only allow dogs under 50lbs.
Some landlords don't insure against the so-called aggressive breeds not because the insurance isn't available, but because it increases the premium. You could possibly offer to pay that amount for them.
As a landlord, I take dogs on a case by case basis: I like dogs...a lot...so I try to be as flexible as possible. A good owner with a proven track record of proper dog handling is a great thing.
This is one reason why the Companion Dog title or the like is benificial for your average pet owner who rents...it shows potential landlords that the owner is involved with their dogs, for one thing, and have put some work and time into them.
But if the dog isn't aggressive, if the owner is responsible...it's not a problem for me.
If the dog owner isn't responsible you can have anything from attacks to neglect to dog waste to flea infestations to lack of containment to property damage and so on. Fair considerations, really, considering some of the slimeballs who own dogs.
This is what a landlord would be thinking about, so I would make sure you could demonstrate that you and your dog will not cause problems like that. You could have a good chance of changing the mind of the single dwelling landlord, but if there are multiple families living there, such as in a duplex, condo or apartment, you can pretty much forget about being an exception, no matter how spectacular your dog is. interesting. Something to consider.
Have you noticed different generalize behaviors in landlords from state to state?
Like I was going to move to Phoenix and moving with a large dog indoors wasn't a big deal. I guess they figure, its SOOO hot that it's generally understood that most all dogs will be indoors. So their general opinions as a whole will be more towards allowing pets. whereas, I am in OKlahoma right now and people here, not all but many, believe a dog is just an animal and should be outside. They can't really fathom the idea of allowing a dog indoors. Esp the older generations.
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Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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#140135 - 05/01/2007 07:54 AM |
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Well, it's true that laws vary from state to state, but they also vary within different parts of the state, too.
Have you thought about what you're going to do with your wild child?
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Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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Nice, I haven't read this article.
Basically what i gathered out of that was that they make decent pets, can be protective and have been bred to make decisions on its own, you'll need hot wire as a fence won't do much good as they'll dig underneath, etc.
He is getting very good though. Not the friendliest dog around at all with others. They can pet, sweet talk, etc all they want. he won't even make an effort to wag his tail. Still gets car sick and so on but one thing I do notice is that he is EXTREMELY destructive. More than the Mals/Dutchies I have had. By far. Already tried to rip the carpet from the floor, pulls my paperwork through the kennel and shredded everything. I just bought a new entertainment center and home theater system with some other goodies and he already went for that, so on and so forth.
Its difficult to work with him as he is skitish and sensitive already so correction is a little more cumbersome.
Right now this pup is on borrowed time.
This is an outdoor farm dog to the hilt. At this point its just getting him accostomed to be a more conditioned dog socially and then turn him over. At least now people can go up and pet him without it taking off.
I keep talking to breeders here and they keep saying they have had them live indoors for a little while but they all say they throw them back out.
I'm not doing him any justice and just too separated from home life. He's afraid to eat out of a dog food bowl b/c he's never had one and the metal scares him, afraid of tile, afraid of concrete, afraid of cars, afraid of everything, and frankly, too far gone to covert and make a decent dog out of him. Seems like he's only going to be decent out in a field somewhere chasing wiley coyotes....
So at this point, as much as I like this guy, Friday isn't coming soon enough, haha.
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Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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#140139 - 05/01/2007 08:07 AM |
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Well, it's true that laws vary from state to state, but they also vary within different parts of the state, too.
Have you thought about what you're going to do with your wild child?
Yes, my freind wanted it from the time I called a few days ago for his goats. So he'll be up from Texas on Friday for his sisters graduation and I'm going to tell him "instead of letting me saturate on keeping him, dude, bring your kennel. Like, seriously. He's gotta go a farm"
It's sort of a screwed up feeling too.
You go in public just to get him used to seeing and hearing things and people stare at you like you beat the poor guy. Then I have to explain to people that are staring a little too hard and they have a different view.
He's more trouble than he's worth to be terribly honest.
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Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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#140140 - 05/01/2007 08:10 AM |
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I'm not doing him any justice and just too separated from home life. He's afraid to eat out of a dog food bowl b/c he's never had one and the metal scares him, afraid of tile, afraid of concrete, afraid of cars, afraid of everything, and frankly, too far gone to covert and make a decent dog out of him.
I'm glad you're putting him back "in the wild." This paragraph made me really sad for him.
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Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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#140144 - 05/01/2007 09:22 AM |
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He's afraid to eat out of a dog food bowl b/c he's never had one and the metal scares him, afraid of tile, afraid of concrete, afraid of cars, afraid of everything, and frankly, too far gone to covert and make a decent dog out of him. Seems like he's only going to be decent out in a field somewhere chasing wiley coyotes....
Aaron, it sounds like you genuinely care for this pup, but you're doing the right thing by giving him over to someone who can utilize his innate skills as a flock protector. Your above description is a bit sad, from the standpoint of someone who knows and loves dogs as HUMAN companions and house pets, but you have to remember (and I know you've done your research) that this breed has been carefully refined over hundreds of years to want nothing more than solitude in the wide open of pastures, and a herd of gentle herbivores to look after. He is HARD WIRED to behave exactly as he is and IMO it is disrespectful to think of him as being "too far gone" or a lost cause. He's not designed to be the kind of companion you're looking for. So admire him for all the things he does so differently than any Mal or Dutch or GSD you know - the things that make him a SUPERIOR solitary livestock guardian - and pass him on to a home where you know he'll be able to be himself without feeling frightened and misplaced. He can still grow up to be a great dog, of a very particular description...
If you know what type of work you'd like to do with your future dog (and it sounds like you do), I'd suggest starting with the breeds you know have been bred and tested to do that work.
Just my 2 cents.
Good luck with your last days with the pup, and I hope you find another one that suits your training goals a little more closely.
~Natalya
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Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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He's afraid to eat out of a dog food bowl b/c he's never had one and the metal scares him, afraid of tile, afraid of concrete, afraid of cars, afraid of everything, and frankly, too far gone to covert and make a decent dog out of him. Seems like he's only going to be decent out in a field somewhere chasing wiley coyotes....
Aaron, it sounds like you genuinely care for this pup, but you're doing the right thing by giving him over to someone who can utilize his innate skills as a flock protector. Your above description is a bit sad, from the standpoint of someone who knows and loves dogs as HUMAN companions and house pets, but you have to remember (and I know you've done your research) that this breed has been carefully refined over hundreds of years to want nothing more than solitude in the wide open of pastures, and a herd of gentle herbivores to look after. He is HARD WIRED to behave exactly as he is and IMO it is disrespectful to think of him as being "too far gone" or a lost cause. He's not designed to be the kind of companion you're looking for. So admire him for all the things he does so differently than any Mal or Dutch or GSD you know - the things that make him a SUPERIOR solitary livestock guardian - and pass him on to a home where you know he'll be able to be himself without feeling frightened and misplaced. He can still grow up to be a great dog, of a very particular description...
If you know what type of work you'd like to do with your future dog (and it sounds like you do), I'd suggest starting with the breeds you know have been bred and tested to do that work.
Just my 2 cents.
Good luck with your last days with the pup, and I hope you find another one that suits your training goals a little more closely.
~Natalya
Actual;ly I am taking him right now to the vet. I'll pay the extra per day so he can feel a little better. My Vet is rural and has cows, horses, goats, etc all there and the kennels are alng side with other dogs.
So with the "farm" sounds and smells he'll feel more comfortable. In my house I feel bad for the poor guy as he is a wreck. haha. I grabbed the bag of dog food and he took off into the other room. I ignored him and he came out to investigate. BUt he's stratinbg to venture out but continually runs back to stay in the kennel. He's just not cut out to be a pet as you already know.
So, I'll load up in about 5min and off to my Vet he goes. Then when my buddy gets here Friday, I'll go pick him up, drive a few hours to him, turn it over and drive back here. I know of some Dutchies and mals that are on the ground and may grab one on the way back. I want to think on it for a week. I may have to think longer than that, hahaha.
I know another kennel closeby that has SHTZ bred GSD's. So I may go ahead and go after one of those as it'll be a little more suited for a home situation than a Mal or Dutchie.
We'll see. I really like the Dutches though. Not sure. I have to think. I also like their smaller size than a normal GSD too. a 50-60lb dog is perfect in my opinion. I can throw him in the the truck and head out to the pasture where I can ride the dirt bike and he can be free roam in the fields or run with me. And 9X out of ten, the Mals like to run with me, haha.
But yes, I agree, this dog is not a "wreck" haha, he's just not a dog that I can feel comfortable with nor can he feel comfortable indoors. Its just the way we are. He's really pretty nicely colored too. I like this guy but nah, its not going to work very well. So off to my Vet we go...
Then I can think and make a firm decision about something else.
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Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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#140426 - 05/02/2007 10:17 PM |
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well, I brought the dog back, and it was a bit interesting. Immediately being places bad in the pen, the dog just started shining brightand wasn't shy and down anymore.
He jumped between the goats, started wagging his tail, ignored his bros and sis's and within 30sec to 1min he was back wild again. And paced around like the rest of them. Then we decided to place some food in the trough and he ran up, started eating and the goats, etc rushed him. He flipped out and bit 4 or 5 and nothing overboard. A few good bites and growls and they left him alone and he sat with this food, ate, when he was full the goats rushed it and ate the rest.
So it was clearly apparent that this dog is meant for a farm and a farm only.
So for several days, he'll stay there, and then pick him up Sat when my friend drives from texas and we meet at his parents place.
Whew, I liked ol' Anatoli, but for his own good, keep him out there. Too much work to make him adapt and not worth the trouble.
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Re: Anyone ever worked this type of Shepherd?
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#140428 - 05/02/2007 10:36 PM |
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He jumped between the goats, started wagging his tail, ignored his bros and sis's and within 30sec to 1min he was back wild again. And paced around like the rest of them. Then we decided to place some food in the trough and he ran up, started eating and the goats, etc rushed him. He flipped out and bit 4 or 5 and nothing overboard. A few good bites and growls and they left him alone and he sat with this food, ate, when he was full the goats rushed it and ate the rest.
How wonderful!! It must have felt great to see him back "in his element". Hope he has a long life of doing what he loves ahead of him - even if that does mean living with a herd of GOATS!!
(I actually quite like goats - not sure if I'd want to sleep next to them every night though...)
~Natalya
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