Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2009 04:05 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #246327 - 07/10/2009 04:05 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: connie sutherland http://placervillevet.com/Omega_3_fatty_acids.htm http://www.thepetcenter.com/imtop/omegafattyacids.html http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?c=2+1659&aid=666 http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/omega-3-000316.htm http://www.natural-dog-health-remedies.com/fatty-acids-for-dogs.html If more info is needed, a "search" here using my name and the term Omega and expanded from one week to, say, three years, will yield dozens of threads with citations and detailed explanations, and the person doesn't even have to join the board. While I disagree with the liver oil, the Placerville Vet link is clear about amount without going through the 6:3 ratio in a typical poultry-based diet. It recommends a teaspoon per fifty pounds, which is about a gram per ten pounds.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2009 04:12 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Angela Burrell ] #246330 - 07/10/2009 04:12 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: angela burrell But I found this in your quoted article. This is something I never knew about; my dogs probably get about 5 grams/day each of salmon oil. From http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/omega-3-000316.htm I deleted this AltMed for Humans URL from my post. Not only are there several reasons for a difference between dogs' and humans' need for long-chain 3s "on the hoof," so to speak (meaning not ALA ready for conversion), the actual use by the body of long-chain 3s is not the same (so I should not have included anything about arteriosclerosis, coronary artery disease, which is not a dog thing). Anyone who wants to talk about humans and their use of and need for Omega 3s, though, can definitely start a thread in the Non-Dog-Related forum. I think a couple of us here have studied it.
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Angela Burrell wrote 07/10/2009 04:13 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #246331 - 07/10/2009 04:13 PM
Angela Burrell Webboard User Reg: 05-10-2006 Posts: 2273 Loc: Ontario, Canada Offline	Quote: Connie Sutherland OK, I erred in my link. I meant the U. of Maryland vet school link, and this link doesn't belong in the thread. LOL! Stop confusing me! Don't you know how easily confused I am?? I am TRYING to learn from the master here.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2009 04:16 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Angela Burrell ] #246332 - 07/10/2009 04:16 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: angela burrell  Quote: connie sutherland OK, I erred in my link. I meant the U. of Maryland vet school link, and this link doesn't belong in the thread. LOL! Stop confusing me! Don't you know how easily confused I am?? I am TRYING to learn from the master here. I don't know why I Googled U of Maryland instead of just finding the link to the vet school's research on dogs and Omega 3s in my "favorites."
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Eric Sacks wrote 07/10/2009 05:25 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #246343 - 07/10/2009 05:25 PM
Eric Sacks Webboard User Reg: 06-18-2008 Posts: 230 Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii Offline	Quote: connie sutherland He would probably be really aghast at my personal beliefs about the desirable 6-to-3 ratio. I think it was probably 2:1 to 1:1 for millennia, based on nutritional anthropology. This is not advice to anyone; this part is strictly my own interpretation of this facet of nutritional anthropology, and it's still controversial. Glad you mentioned this because this is sort of the point of contention. The doctor ("Doc"), understands and agrees with the prey-based nutritional rationale for feeding a raw diet. When I mentioned the fish oil amount, he asked "where would a wild canine get that amount of omega 3s?" I couldn't answer him. Connie (or anyone else), would you mind explaining where a healthy, well-fed, wild dog or wolf would get that high a volume of omega 3s without supplementation? BTW, Connie, were you referring to dogs or humans in the section I quoted? I ask because I thought you were talking about dogs, but you used the term "nutritional anthropology". http://web.mac.com/spacecadet808/Site/Cleos_Page.html
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Eric Sacks wrote 07/10/2009 05:26 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #246344 - 07/10/2009 05:26 PM
Eric Sacks Webboard User Reg: 06-18-2008 Posts: 230 Loc: Honolulu, Hawaii Offline	Connie, When you get a chance, could you please provide the link or site address for the Purdue study you mentioned earlier. Thanks and sorry to be such a pain http://web.mac.com/spacecadet808/Site/Cleos_Page.html
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2009 05:36 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Eric Sacks ] #246346 - 07/10/2009 05:36 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Well, there's a crossover in this case between nutritional anthropology and wolf eating stuff. Whatever their word is. LOL Dogs generally eat grain-fed meat now, whether it's raw or kibble, which is why I keep saying "the typical supermarket poultry diet" and so on. Wild meat and range meat as a diet was way higher in 3s. Wild game, for example, has a fatty acid profile high in Omega 3's. In addition, parts of the prey that are extremely heavy in 3s (brain, eyeballs) -- aren't generally eaten now. (3s are actually the primary component of brain cells in large wild prey taken down by wolves.) Obviously, this is the short version. I have a little stack of books if you would like the titles or links to them. They are indeed people- (not canid-) geared, so PM me if you want that.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2009 05:45 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Eric Sacks ] #246348 - 07/10/2009 05:45 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Quote: Eric Sacks Connie, When you get a chance, could you please provide the link or site address for the Purdue study you mentioned earlier. Thanks and sorry to be such a pain http://www.omega3learning.purdue.edu/diet-health/veterinarians/ It's not a pain. This exact topic (Omega 3s for dogs) is something I have spent hundreds of hours, maybe more, on studying/reading. Your physician friend will have had a far better grounding and will get more from the reading, I betcha. Oddly, it was Andrew Weil who got me started on it, back in the 80s. He is (obviously) a physician for humans, but something he published about the blip of the last couple of centuries and especially the last century that has completely screwed up millennia of 6:3 ratios made me start looking up similar stuff about canids.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2009 05:49 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #246349 - 07/10/2009 05:49 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	P.S. I thought maybe Purdue's web stuff had changed, so I Googled this: omega 3, dog, "purdue" and find the list all still there, but none functioning. I don't get it. Google that phrase and you'll see what I mean.
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Connie Sutherland wrote 07/10/2009 07:20 PM Re: Fish oil amount [Re: Connie Sutherland ] #246361 - 07/10/2009 07:20 PM
Connie Sutherland Moderator Reg: 07-13-2005 Posts: 31571 Loc: North-Central coast of California Offline	Another P.S. I have just recently started reading about high levels of Omega 3s as a tool against canine cancers -- prevention and also hindrance of metastasis. If "Doc" has any recommendations for reading material on human cancer and Omega 3s, I'd love to get his suggestions. (Many cancers, of course, are common to dogs and humans in both type and treatment.)
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