If the dog hears fine and you have no issue with compliance on the down, why do you feel the need to introduce an ecollar?

Why can't you sleep?

From your three long posts above, the ones subsequent to your OP, where you are not being ARGUMENTATIVE, you are just BAFFLED, I gather that you want to teach your dog a new trick, i.e., "down" in response to a vibration from an ecollar. Do I have it right now?

And your only question and the only thing you want comments on is whether anyone knows the relative intensity of the vibration between the two collars you named, right?

Sorry, I can't help you with that one.

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

Again, nothing is ARGUMENTATIVE. Just me BAFFLED. :O ?
How a post with
"Who said dog is reluctant to anything?....I keep OUR sanity by keeping her working MENTALLY, by training new tricks or sports that require less movement and more thought.. Though i have to say, she still in better condition than loads of the younger dogs i walk."

Can lead to an answer of "What problem do you think an ecollar is going to solve?......But a dog can have energy and still be hard of hearing or have cognitive issues or musculoskeletal pain. "

Sometimes it seems like people simply jump to utmost worst conclusion on every post. (not just mine, i have read forum)
I mean, when i find a poster post to be unclear, i simply ask them to explain the part i do not grasp, in a little more detail.
I do not jump to most hardcore conclusion.
If i feel somebody is being argumentative, i simply reread post, and think of how the poster is actually saying post.
Just because a poster is blunt, or loud, does not mean they are trying to start arguments.

Good GRIEF, Brianah:

1) An ELDERLY Dog who runs around like a young pup for long periods of time will typically get SORE and/or STIFF...

2) Make sure she has a Very SOFT & WARM Place to lie down when you need her To DO So...

3) Your dog Does NOT Know that over-doing exercise at her age often results in Uncomfortable Consequences, and that Cannot BE Explained to her...

4) It is YOUR JOB to realize the above and Act Accordingly...

5) Bottom Line: posters are more concerned with Your DOG'S Sensitivities than we are with your lack of communication skills.

 Quote: Duane Hull

If the dog hears fine and you have no issue with compliance on the down, why do you feel the need to introduce an ecollar?

Why can't you sleep?

Same reason i taught dog the hand signals. And same reason why i trained all other nonsense. You know, dog spins in circles when you take a 2 day vacation from training. You have to think up SOMETHING. (thats how we got our extreme sport of walking up stairs backwards wherever we can. We do spiral stairs while holding something in mouth and pausing for sits and such)

Sadly you cant reason wih a dog! Imagine if you could converse with a dog? i am sure it would go like this..
"Hey, you know you are like elderly? Shouldn't you be like, i dont know, acting old? No? How about we compromise? We can still go for bike rides. But at a slower pace. Hey, oww don't bite me!"

Because some pain in the rump yellow man decided he wants nothing to do with sleep, and would rather have his kong and play, right now.
I did eventually sleep. Ignored the fuss.

How are you doing today?
Hope you got more sleep than i.

There's still been no reason offered why an ecollar is the logical solution to the situation presented.

You're looking for ways to continue stimulating a dog that, according to you, knows hand signals and is only slightly hard of hearing.

Why does the dog need another way to understand "down"? She already knows that from your hand signal and by voice.

Since she already understands two languages (English and hand signal), teach her something new using one of them. I don't think teaching her the same skills using a new language (ecollar) is meeting your objective. If that's all you want, teach her commands in Italian. Shouted.

hey brianah , don't take this the wrong way , but here's my take on your situation . . .

i've never used an e-collar but i know enough about them to know that they aren't the evil positive punishment tool that some people might think they are .

having said that , i sure hope that when i approach this dogs' equivalent age ( the old 7 times X equation ) someone isn't going to strap an electrical " reminder " on me just because i don't hear so good no more .

it might be a little late in this dogs' training career to be introducing something like that , but hey , it's your dog and you know her better than anyone . if you think it might be the " magic wand " that keeps her mentally stimulated , have at 'er . i'd be very cognizant of any changes in any of her behaviors when you introduce the collar , and i'd be prepared to abandon the plan if i thought it was having any adverse effect on her .

sounds like you've got a great dog , is it that much bother to raise your volume , or are you planning to use this device / regime as a " new thing " in your / her training ? in other words , why haven't you consider one prior to now ? just asking . . .

as for which one , and how much " buzz " . . . sorry i am of no use there .

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 Quote: Brianah Maloney

Again, nothing is ARGUMENTATIVE. Just me BAFFLED. :O ?
How a post with
"Who said dog is reluctant to anything?....I keep OUR sanity by keeping her working MENTALLY, by training new tricks or sports that require less movement and more thought.. Though i have to say, she still in better condition than loads of the younger dogs i walk."

Can lead to an answer of "What problem do you think an ecollar is going to solve?......But a dog can have energy and still be hard of hearing or have cognitive issues or musculoskeletal pain. "

Sometimes it seems like people simply jump to utmost worst conclusion on every post. (not just mine, i have read forum)
I mean, when i find a poster post to be unclear, i simply ask them to explain the part i do not grasp, in a little more detail.
I do not jump to most hardcore conclusion.
If i feel somebody is being argumentative, i simply reread post, and think of how the poster is actually saying post.
Just because a poster is blunt, or loud, does not mean they are trying to start arguments.

Good GRIEF, Brianah:

1) An ELDERLY Dog who runs around like a young pup for long periods of time will typically get SORE and/or STIFF...

2) Make sure she has a Very SOFT & WARM Place to lie down when you need her To DO So...

3) Your dog Does NOT Know that over-doing exercise at her age often results in Uncomfortable Consequences, and that Cannot BE Explained to her...

4) It is YOUR JOB to realize the above and Act Accordingly...

5) Bottom Line: posters are more concerned with Your DOG'S Sensitivities than we are with your lack of communication skills.

Your post is making my flyball friend laugh and scream at the computer.
Are you doubting my ownership of my dog?
This cant be because i want to teach a new singal for down? :O

This post is not to argue. Just want things to be be CLEAR AS DAY.. Dog is not being shocked for compliance, dog is not not compliant. Not over worked. Dog is not sore. Dog does not limping. Dog is vetted often. Dog has 2, 4 inch othepidic beds. Dog is on leerburg recommended foods and supplements. Dog LIVES to be up and about.
Whether it be we train to blow bubbles in water, or train to lift leg to pretend mark like a male dog, practice flatwork around trees. I keep her up and stimulated, for OUR sanity.

When it comes time life is too painful for her to stay active at all, and she still has the psycho drive to get up and "work". I would put her to sleep. I wouldn't let her suffer though that. She would go mad.

Please. Do not be concerned for the dog.
I do her right, and every real life person who has met her (including my visiting flyball friend, who is still yelling at the computer right now) knows she is happy and well kept.
She is my life. I am happy you care enough to be concerned about my girly though.

 Quote: ian bunbury

hey brianah , don't take this the wrong way , but here's my take on your situation . . .

i've never used an e-collar but i know enough about them to know that they aren't the evil positive punishment tool that some people might think they are .

having said that , i sure hope that when i approach this dogs' equivalent age ( the old 7 times X equation ) someone isn't going to strap an electrical " reminder " on me just because i don't hear so good no more .

it might be a little late in this dogs' training career to be introducing something like that , but hey , it's your dog and you know her better than anyone . if you think it might be the " magic wand " that keeps her mentally stimulated , have at 'er . i'd be very cognizant of any changes in any of her behaviors when you introduce the collar , and i'd be prepared to abandon the plan if i thought it was having any adverse effect on her .

sounds like you've got a great dog , is it that much bother to raise your volume , or are you planning to use this device / regime as a " new thing " in your / her training ? in other words , why haven't you consider one prior to now ? just asking . . .

as for which one , and how much " buzz " . . . sorry i am of no use there .

Thank you! <3
I have a few friends who own e-collars. Most of them dogtras. The vibration, or the sounds is often used between my friends as a signal for the recall.
Some use the sound as a signal to the dog, while hunting with the bird dogs in large fields.
Whistles and hand signals are also periodically used between a good amount of my friends.

I agree.
The ecollar is NOT a form of "evil positive punishment tool" when used properly.
Especially when the actual stim button on the collar is never to be touched. And the collar is bought only for the sound or vibration feature.

Yes. I plan on using collar as a new thing to add to our box of things we know. It may help me out one day, along with hand signals, should she ever truly lose the hearing.

I have considered one. I have many of times when messing with my friends.
I had been caught up between buying a collar with sound as a feature, or vibration as a feature. I just last night, when i was bored. Went through my cash, and decided instead of the flyball box i was going to rent, i would get a ecollar, but instead of vibration or sound being signal for recall, we would use it for "down".

 Quote: Cheri Grissom

From your three long posts above, the ones subsequent to your OP, where you are not being ARGUMENTATIVE, you are just BAFFLED, I gather that you want to teach your dog a new trick, i.e., "down" in response to a vibration from an ecollar. Do I have it right now?

And your only question and the only thing you want comments on is whether anyone knows the relative intensity of the vibration between the two collars you named, right?

Sorry, I can't help you with that one.

Its okay! Maybe i need to get my hands on the collars first. And compare them? The dogtras vibration, to the educators vibration. I dont need anything more than a little whisper of a touch. Now, my dog is far from sensitive. But i dont need a vibration that is painful. Some posts above have me believing the vibration on it is painful... I dont need it to be painful. i just need her to feel something, and it be a signal for down.o.o

I am going to give my friends dogtra a go tomorrow on my dog. The collar is here right now, but my friend is quite mad right now. So we will let the entire subject cool before she signs up to leerburg to rant.

I wonder if there is anybody near me with an educator to compare to vibration on dogtra.
See the deal is, i can get an educator for 120 dollars online. But i could order a mini from leerburg brand new.
But if its vibrations too intense, i could get a dogtra. But its WAY more expensive.

 Quote: Brianah Maloney

....The vibration, or the sounds is often used between my friends as a signal for the recall....

....Yes. I plan on using collar as a new thing to add to our box of things we know. It may help me out one day, along with hand signals, should she ever truly lose the hearing...

....i would get a ecollar, but instead of vibration or sound being signal for recall, we would use it for "down".

If the dog loses her hearing or most of it, and you want to use the ecollar as a tool to help you communicate with her, you might want to reconsider teaching her that the vibration means "down." If you do that, then it means down, period. It's good for only one command. OTOH, if you teach her that the vibration from the collar means "look at me," then you have a dog that looks at you for further instructions which can be given in the form of a hand signal or a loudly spoken command. IOW, make the collar useful for communicating not just one thing but many things to her.