How old is your dog for the record? It's a puppy right?
The first thing I'd do is start really socializing your dog to kids you know with your supervision.

My dog is a 2 year old GS bitch. I have socialized her with kids a lot and she's good with them under the right circumstances (she loves playing fetch and doind tricks for them). I just do not trust her alone with them.

Just so no one gets upset you may want to write about this in the dominant dog thread. This way it won't flood the E-collar section.

Some serious handlers and trainers don't leave their dog with any adults or children without their supervision for any reason.

I'm sure many people will help you anyway they can. I'm not knowledgeable enough to help with this, Good Luck.

If your dog isn't trustworthy around kids, you don't have your dog around kids. It is that simple. Some dogs can't be left alone with anyone but the handler. You just have to deal with that.

You don't want to let any dog be around kids alone, or even unsupervised really. You just can't trust kids, they have a dark side. . .every single one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I don't know if aversive conditioning will change that, if that is your question. It is a dominance issue, sounds like. There are things you can do to help that, obedience is one (e-collar or no), but I don't think you can change a dominate dog so as to make them 100% safe with other people's children.

Alan wrote: So Lou, how many dogs have you titled????

LC: I’ve never titled any dogs Alan. The venues I work in don't get titles; Police Service Dogs (PSD’s) Personal Protection Dogs (Personal Protection dog’s), SAR dogs and pets.

Sch3FH2 wrote: It's clear how an ecollar can be used for positive punishment and negative reinforcement, but what't the third way you are using it?

LC: Sorry, that was a bit confusing. I use positive reinforcement by way of praise, both verbal and physical and treats. Van Camp understood it because we have a history. LOL.

Michael Talyor Rivers wrote: I cannot agree with the use of an e-collar or any other training tool (eg prong) on an eight week old or ten week old pup. There really is no need for this.

LC: As I’ve pointed out there’s no NEED for an Ecollar ever. Humans have been training dogs for a couple of thousand years before they came along.

Michael Talyor Rivers wrote: Sure dogs would learn faster, but regardless, I do not feel that it is fair to use any punishment tool, or negitiave motivation for training a pup, other then as Van Camp pointed out. This is just bad training.

LC: As you say, it would be faster. All things being equal, faster is better, to my way of thinking. I don't see any advantage to taking twice as long to get something trained. As people who have been reading my posts for awhile know, I advocate fairness all the time. If you’re using it in some other way than I do, I might agree that it's "unfair." But to call it “bad training” is a bit off–base. Especially when you’ve never seen me do it.

LC: People are free to train anyway they please. Please try to do so without putting others down; especially when you haven’t seen what they do.

oldearthdog wrote: H Schwartz commented that he wanted to use the E collar to reduce child aggression. The dog minds when he is there because it knows it will be corrected. If he isn't there, and the dog gets corrected for aggression without positive reward for correct behaviour, will this lead to avoidance, or even resentment of children.

LC: Using an Ecollar in this situation, as a punishment tool, may result in the avoidance or resentment that you mention, particularly if high levels of stimulation are used. Doing so can even increase the dog’s aggression towards the children.

LC: Using my “crittering” protocol will probably work without the dangers mentioned.

H Schwartz wrote: Wouldn't this just make my dog think bullying children equals pain the same way a child would learn touching a hot stove equals pain??

LC: I might also make him think that the children can hurt him from a distance. If you were a dog how would you stop that? A preemptive strike perhaps?

Lou,
While you are correct in saying that I have not seen you use an e-collar; so to be fair you are right on that point. However, to use avodience training when dealing with puppies is not a good idea in most cases. A correction collar on a pup (that age) of any type is bad training. Plain and simple. I cannot think of a way to use the collar on a pup that would be fair. So unless you have
re-invented the wheel (and please let us know if you have) you can dress it up anyway you like, but it will still smell the same.